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(W:#941)If Christianity were proven true...

I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.
 
Couldn't you just answer my question instead of having me go back to dissect your previous posts?

Why should I do a research again when it's already available? All you have to do is go to that post.
That's your choice.
 
Fruit of the spirit. I needed a bunch of it when I was ministering. Now that I'm not (as much) I find myself losing it at times.
Yeah, I'm workin' on it...I also try to remember 2 Corinthians 4:4 and keep in mind there also comes a time to dust your sandals off...
 
Mediums that claim to speak with “departed spirits” are actually communicating with wicked spirits who impersonate dead persons. A wicked spirit impersonated the dead prophet Samuel in conveying a message to unfaithful King Saul, in the incident recorded at 1 Samuel 28:8-14. At Galatians 5:19-21, “practice of spiritism” is listed among the corrupt “works of the flesh” that will exclude a person from the kingdom of God.

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I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.


Obviously, even in death, Samuel's spirit can still prophecy.

And, what did Moses and Elijah talked about with Jesus when they met?


Matthew 17
17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
 


So - Jesus was what when He met and spoke with Moses and Elijah?

You saying Jesus was dumb to not know that He was communicating with wicked spirits impersonating Moses and Elijah?



Matthew 17
17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold,
there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
 
Visions are not ghosts...

VISION

A sight or scene presented to a person’s mind by day or by night, usually through other than ordinary means, and sometimes while the recipient was in a trance or was dreaming. (Ac 10:3; Ge 46:2) It is often difficult to establish a clear demarcation between visions and dreams described in the Bible, and at times they are combined.

When a person received a vision from God during waking hours, it appears that the impression was made upon the conscious mind. The vision could later be recalled and described or recorded by the recipient, in his own words. Some persons, such as Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar, also had nocturnal visions, or ‘visions of the night.’ These seem to have been impressed upon the subconscious mind while the recipient slept.

Vision
 
I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.

Where did you get the dead know nothing?
Ecclesiastes?
You got it wrong, obviously - as proven by the previous events I gave you: Samuel making a prophecy, and Jesus having a meeting
with Elijah and Moses!
Therefore, the dead cannot know "nothing."


Ecclesiastes 9
5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.



First, it is clear from other places in the Bible that this verse cannot mean the dead have absolutely no knowledge.
For example, Matthew 25:46 speaks of everlasting consciousness: “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Every person will spend eternity with God in heaven or apart from Him in hell. Each person will have feelings, thoughts, and abilities that exist in eternity.

Second, Ecclesiastes 9:5 cannot contradict Ecclesiastes 4:2.
There, Solomon states that the dead are “happier than the living.”

However, when a person is dead, the opportunities to enjoy things on earth no longer exist.

The key to understanding the statement “the dead know nothing” is found in the theme of the book of Ecclesiastes.
Ecclesiastes is written specifically from an earthly perspective.
The key phrase, repeated throughout the book, is under the sun, used about thirty times.
Solomon is commenting on an earth-bound life, “under the sun,” without God. His conclusion, also repeated throughout the book, is that everything from that perspective is “vanity” or emptiness (Ecclesiastes 1:2).

 
Divination is condemned by Jehovah God...1 Samuel 28...

8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went to the woman by night with two of his men. He said: “Use divination, please, by acting as a spirit medium,+ and bring up for me the one whom I designate to you.

9 However, the woman said to him: “You must know what Saul did, how he removed the spirit mediums and the fortune-tellers from the land.+ Why, then, are you trying to trap me* to have me put to death?”+

10 Saul then swore to her by Jehovah, saying: “As surely as Jehovah is alive, you will not incur any guilt in this matter!”

11 At this the woman said: “Whom should I bring up for you?” He replied: “Bring up Samuel for me.”
 
I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.
The dead no longer know what is happening presently to those they left behind... They no nothing of what is occurring to friends and relatives still living on the earth after they die. That doesn't mean that they no longer exist.
 

Samuel was described as a ghostly figure coming out of the earth.

1 Samuel 28
13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure[a] coming up out of the earth.”


The ghost of Samuel spoke, and complained of having been brought up, and disturbed,


15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”


The ghost of Samuel prophesied.....just as Samuel - having been a prophet of God - used to do when alive.
His prophecy came true!
 
ABSOLUTELY, divination is condemned! And don't you realize that when Samuel appeared, it wasn't a fake demonic apportion of which this witch of Endor was used to seeing. She herself was totally shocked ---- read further. GOD sent SAMUEL back. Saul was being given one last opportunity to repent. Unfortunately, Saul never seems to get it...
 

The woman was referring to the crime of divination which was punishable by death. Saul must've made that decree!
She's talking about the law of the land.
Saul assured her by swearing in God's name, that she won't be found guilty in this matter. They're still referring to the law of the land.

Yes, divination is condemned by God. But, who's asking for this? SAUL!
Saul had already lost favor with God.

Nevertheless, the spirit of Samuel responded to it, and prophesied.
God had obviously permitted this event...................................... thus, the prophecy of Samuel came true.

Samuel, even in death - and, in spirit - still spoke as a true prophet of God.
 
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The wicked spirit person, who was pretending to be the dead Samuel, then went on to tell Saul that he would be killed in the battle with the Philistines.—1 Samuel 28:3-19.

Obviously, it was not really Samuel that the spirit medium had contacted. Samuel was dead, and at death a person “goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (Psalm 146:4) A little thinking on the matter further shows that the voice was not really that of dead Samuel. Samuel was God’s prophet. So he had opposed spirit mediums. And, as we have seen, while he was alive he had refused to speak any more with disobedient Saul. So, then, if Samuel were still alive, would he allow a spirit medium to arrange for him to meet Saul? Think too: Jehovah had refused to give Saul any information. Could a spirit medium force Jehovah to give Saul a message through dead Samuel? And if the living could actually talk with dead loved ones, surely a God of love would not say that they had become “unclean” because of turning to a spirit medium.

The fact is that wicked spirits are out to harm humans, so Jehovah gives warnings to protect his servants. Read the following warning to the nation of Israel. It gives you an idea of methods that the demons use to mislead people. The Bible says: “There should not be found in you . . . anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) We should want to find out what wicked spirits are doing to harm people today and how we can protect ourselves from them. But before we learn about this, let us consider when and how the wicked spirits got their start.

Wicked Spirits Are Powerful
 
You dont get to.impose your beliefs on anyone. I get to laugh and slam the door


....they're not imposing it on you if - just as you would watching tv ads and junk mail - you can choose to ignore them!
So, what's the problem?
 
Students can talk about whatever they want. As long as other students can walk away

Have you been tied up by a religious, and preached upon while you're helplessly prevented from walking away?
Was there ever a time that you were held a captive audience by someone preaching or proselytizing?
 


How do you know that God allowed it to happen just so Samuel can prophesy to Saul?
Did you read how Saul was tormented by what he heard?
Why did the prophecy come true if it wasn't the real Samuel?
Surely, a false Samuel couldn't have prophesied accurately!
That's how we know false from true prophets!

What about Jesus and His meeting with long-dead Moses and Elijah?
That's another example!
 
Actually I do as I pointed out. You may not disrupt a classroom. You may not disrupt a business. You may not disrupt certain public settings


You can knock yourself out in your church


But the left protesters can disrupt Chicken Filet (for the religious belief of the owners)!
Go, figure!
 
“People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” ― Blaise Pascal
Hardly a credible point considering there is no proof to base a belief in a god on.
 
The dead no longer know what is happening presently to those they left behind... They no nothing of what is occurring to friends and relatives still living on the earth after they die. That doesn't mean that they no longer exist.
If they still exist there's no need for a resurrection from death.
 
She already explained how "visions" work.
 
She already explained how "visions" work.

This?





Obviously, it's not just a vision! I've explained why:


Samuel was described as a ghostly figure coming out of the earth.


1 Samuel 28
13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure coming up out of the earth.”



The ghost of Samuel spoke, and complained of having been brought up, and disturbed,


15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”



The ghost of Samuel prophesied.....just as Samuel - having been a prophet of God - used to do when alive.
His prophecy came true!



Furthermore - et me say it again: what about Jesus meeting and talking with long-dead Moses and Elijah?
You and Elora never got back to me with that!
 
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