I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.You should read 1 Samuel 8. It shows a conscious, disembodied spirit of Samuel.
1 Samuel 8
13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure coming up out of the earth.”
14 “What does he look like?” he asked.
“An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said.
Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”
“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”
16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the Lord has departed from you and become your enemy?
17 The Lord has done what he predicted through me. The Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David.
18 Because you did not obey the Lord or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this to you today.
19 The Lord will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.
The Lord will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”
20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, filled with fear because of Samuel’s words. His strength was gone, for he had eaten nothing all that day and all that night.
The spirit of Samuel made a prophecy, which came true.
Couldn't you just answer my question instead of having me go back to dissect your previous posts?
Yeah, I'm workin' on it...I also try to remember 2 Corinthians 4:4 and keep in mind there also comes a time to dust your sandals off...Fruit of the spirit. I needed a bunch of it when I was ministering. Now that I'm not (as much) I find myself losing it at times.
Truth hurts...Sounds more like you...
I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.
Mediums that claim to speak with “departed spirits” are actually communicating with wicked spirits who impersonate dead persons. A wicked spirit impersonated the dead prophet Samuel in conveying a message to unfaithful King Saul, in the incident recorded at 1 Samuel 28:8-14. At Galatians 5:19-21, “practice of spiritism” is listed among the corrupt “works of the flesh” that will exclude a person from the kingdom of God.
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I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.
The dead no longer know what is happening presently to those they left behind... They no nothing of what is occurring to friends and relatives still living on the earth after they die. That doesn't mean that they no longer exist.I've read the record. I view it in light of the clear verses that state the dead know nothing. Plus it's no small wonder that Satan could not produce counterfeits.
Visions are not ghosts...
VISION
A sight or scene presented to a person’s mind by day or by night, usually through other than ordinary means, and sometimes while the recipient was in a trance or was dreaming. (Ac 10:3; Ge 46:2) It is often difficult to establish a clear demarcation between visions and dreams described in the Bible, and at times they are combined.
When a person received a vision from God during waking hours, it appears that the impression was made upon the conscious mind. The vision could later be recalled and described or recorded by the recipient, in his own words. Some persons, such as Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar, also had nocturnal visions, or ‘visions of the night.’ These seem to have been impressed upon the subconscious mind while the recipient slept.
Vision
ABSOLUTELY, divination is condemned! And don't you realize that when Samuel appeared, it wasn't a fake demonic apportion of which this witch of Endor was used to seeing. She herself was totally shocked ---- read further. GOD sent SAMUEL back. Saul was being given one last opportunity to repent. Unfortunately, Saul never seems to get it...Divination is condemned by Jehovah God...1 Samuel 28...
8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went to the woman by night with two of his men. He said: “Use divination, please, by acting as a spirit medium,+ and bring up for me the one whom I designate to you.”
9 However, the woman said to him: “You must know what Saul did, how he removed the spirit mediums and the fortune-tellers from the land.+ Why, then, are you trying to trap me* to have me put to death?”+
10 Saul then swore to her by Jehovah, saying: “As surely as Jehovah is alive, you will not incur any guilt in this matter!”
11 At this the woman said: “Whom should I bring up for you?” He replied: “Bring up Samuel for me.”
Divination is condemned by Jehovah God...1 Samuel 28...
8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went to the woman by night with two of his men. He said: “Use divination, please, by acting as a spirit medium,+ and bring up for me the one whom I designate to you.”
9 However, the woman said to him: “You must know what Saul did, how he removed the spirit mediums and the fortune-tellers from the land.+ Why, then, are you trying to trap me* to have me put to death?”+
10 Saul then swore to her by Jehovah, saying: “As surely as Jehovah is alive, you will not incur any guilt in this matter!”
11 At this the woman said: “Whom should I bring up for you?” He replied: “Bring up Samuel for me.”
You dont get to.impose your beliefs on anyone. I get to laugh and slam the door
Students can talk about whatever they want. As long as other students can walk away
The wicked spirit person, who was pretending to be the dead Samuel, then went on to tell Saul that he would be killed in the battle with the Philistines.—1 Samuel 28:3-19.
Obviously, it was not really Samuel that the spirit medium had contacted. Samuel was dead, and at death a person “goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (Psalm 146:4) A little thinking on the matter further shows that the voice was not really that of dead Samuel. Samuel was God’s prophet. So he had opposed spirit mediums. And, as we have seen, while he was alive he had refused to speak any more with disobedient Saul. So, then, if Samuel were still alive, would he allow a spirit medium to arrange for him to meet Saul? Think too: Jehovah had refused to give Saul any information. Could a spirit medium force Jehovah to give Saul a message through dead Samuel? And if the living could actually talk with dead loved ones, surely a God of love would not say that they had become “unclean” because of turning to a spirit medium.
The fact is that wicked spirits are out to harm humans, so Jehovah gives warnings to protect his servants. Read the following warning to the nation of Israel. It gives you an idea of methods that the demons use to mislead people. The Bible says: “There should not be found in you . . . anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) We should want to find out what wicked spirits are doing to harm people today and how we can protect ourselves from them. But before we learn about this, let us consider when and how the wicked spirits got their start.
Wicked Spirits Are Powerful
Actually I do as I pointed out. You may not disrupt a classroom. You may not disrupt a business. You may not disrupt certain public settings
You can knock yourself out in your church
In reality no , no force at all. But under the scenario here then yes, Force is being used.Actually, it doesn't...no one is forcing you to do anything...
Hardly a credible point considering there is no proof to base a belief in a god on.“People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” ― Blaise Pascal
If they still exist there's no need for a resurrection from death.The dead no longer know what is happening presently to those they left behind... They no nothing of what is occurring to friends and relatives still living on the earth after they die. That doesn't mean that they no longer exist.
She already explained how "visions" work.How do you know that God allowed it to happen just so Samuel can prophesy to Saul?
Did you read how Saul was tormented by what he heard?
Why did the prophecy come true if it wasn't the real Samuel?
Surely, a false Samuel couldn't have prophesied accurately!
That's how we know false from true prophets!
What about Jesus and His meeting with long-dead Moses and Elijah?
That's another example!
She already explained how "visions" work.
Visions are not ghosts...
VISION
A sight or scene presented to a person’s mind by day or by night, usually through other than ordinary means, and sometimes while the recipient was in a trance or was dreaming. (Ac 10:3; Ge 46:2) It is often difficult to establish a clear demarcation between visions and dreams described in the Bible, and at times they are combined.
When a person received a vision from God during waking hours, it appears that the impression was made upon the conscious mind. The vision could later be recalled and described or recorded by the recipient, in his own words. Some persons, such as Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar, also had nocturnal visions, or ‘visions of the night.’ These seem to have been impressed upon the subconscious mind while the recipient slept.
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