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[W:911] Documentary exposing the hidden history of Israel's founding

vegas giants said:
Good. Terrorism is not terrorism when you win.


Like our colonial terrorists. Lol
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Oh really?

So the Taliban’s actions aren’t terrorism?

I’ll wait for you to provide evidence of the Founding Fathers doing anything even remotely similar to the King David hotel bombing.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really?

So the Taliban’s actions aren’t terrorism?

I’ll wait for you to provide evidence of the Founding Fathers doing anything even remotely similar to the King David hotel bombing.
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Not to them. They won.
 
vegas giants said:
Not to them. They won.
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The Nazis didn’t think they did anything wrong either.

I’ll wait for you to provide evidence of the Founding Fathers doing anything even remotely similar to the King David hotel bombing.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Nazis didn’t think they did anything wrong either.

I’ll wait for you to provide evidence of the Founding Fathers doing anything even remotely similar to the King David hotel bombing.
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And they lost.

And we won
 
KLATTU said:
According to the modern archaeological account, the Israelites and their culture branched out of the Canaanite peoples and their cultures through the development of a distinct monolatristic—and later monotheistic—religion centred on the national god Yahweh.
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True. The Merneptah Stele describes Israel as a people within Canaan. The evidence suggests Israel conquered Canaan. Israelites were not the first inhabitants, which is the point.

The area, collectively known as the Levant, was in the unfortunate position of being the gateway for trade between Africa and Asia. Outside of cedar from Lebanon, the area itself had little to offer in the way of resources. It was a trade route through which goods passed. It is this gateway to trade that has been the object of conquest over the millennia.

The land of Canaan has been called Judah, Israel, Palestine, Judah-Jordan, Judah-Israel, others.

Not necessarily relevant, but interesting nonetheless, the Jews were not the first monotheists. Monotheism was first attempted by Akhenaten. It not only failed, but Akhenaten was seen as a heretic by the Egyptian people. There is no hard evidence proving the Israelites took the idea from Akhenaten, but it would be foolish to rule it out.
 
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Loulit01 said:
Several two-state solutions have been proposed since the British left what was then Trans-Jordan in 1947. Some rejected by Israel and some by Palestine. The Oslo Accords (1993) held great promise but ultimately failed.
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Israel have been masters at pretending to support a two-state solution to hide their opposition, inserting demands that are unacceptable to get Palestinians to be the ones to reject it so they can propagandize that THEY wanted peace, Palestinians didn't, but the games get exposed.
 
Craig234 said:
Israel have been masters at pretending to support a two-state solution to hide their opposition, inserting demands that are unacceptable to get Palestinians to be the ones to reject it so they can propagandize that THEY wanted peace, Palestinians didn't, but the games get exposed.
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Israel owes them nothing
 
HonestJoe said:
The history of Israel form its foundations. Denying their true state and structure is only gong to lead to collapse. Recognising and understanding them, especially their flaws and limitations, allows that to be accounted for and a strong and stable structure to be built upon them.
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Ironically, I'd say the US has a somewhat analogous situation not confronting OUR history, on things such as native genocide, where we sort of 'know it', but ignore it, as there are no 'good answers' to it; we neither want to condone and approve it, nor do we say 'we shouldn't have taken their land'. So we just ignore the topic. What's done is done.

I think we settle on, 'well, we had to take the lands, and while THOSE PEOPLE - the early Americans - did wrong in how they did it, we don't approve, so we're better now, we're not doing it now, end of topic.' And that might not be totally wrong; it's not clear what could be done now in terms of 'justice', other than that we could have a more honest, accurate history understood, and we could more strongly support justice in other situations. Like Palestinians.

It's interesting to note how historically important some of these things are, that have been mostly forgotten. One of our two parties is the Republican Party; its founding was from opposition to the war on Mexico, which Lincoln was the leader of, and US Grant, who fought in the war, later called the most wrong war in human history.

Yet now all we can talk about in that same party is 'close the border' and hate for 'illegal immigrants' and fear of 'Mexican gangs' - while it's the US pouring billions into Mexican drug cartels creating havoc in Mexico...
 
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Craig234 said:
Ironically, I'd say the US has a somewhat analogous situation not confronting OUR history, on things such as native genocide, where we sort of 'know it', but ignore it, as there are no 'good answers' to it; we neither want to condone and approve it, nor do we say 'we shouldn't have taken their land'. So we just ignore the topic. What's done is done.
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Same should be true for Israel
 
NatMorton said:
Yes, that’s a reasonable counter example, but it doesn’t compare to the sustained terror campaign from the PLO and then Hamas.
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“More than 620,000 Israeli citizens currently reside in settlements. Of these, about 209,270 live in the parts of the West Bank that Israel annexed to the municipal jurisdiction of Jerusalem (according to Jerusalem Institute for Policy Research figures from late 2016), and 413,400 live throughout the rest of the West Bank (according to Central Bureau of Statistics figures from late 2017).

The settlements are the single most important factor in shaping life in the West Bank. Their destructive impact on the human rights of Palestinians extends far beyond the hundreds of thousands of dunams [1 dunam = 1,000 sq. meters], including farmland and grazing areas, that Israel appropriated from Palestinians in order to build them. More land has been expropriated to pave hundreds of kilometers of roads for settler use only; roadblocks, checkpoints, and other measures that limit Palestinian movement only have been erected based on the location of settlements; Palestinian landowners have been effectively denied access to much of their farmland, both within settlements and outside them; and the winding route of the Separation Barrier, which severely violates the rights of Palestinians living near it, was established inside the West Bank in order to leave as many settlements as possible – and large tracts of land for expanding them – on the western side of the barrier.”


www.btselem.org

Settlements

From 1967 to the end of 2017, more than 200 Israeli settlements were established in the West Bank. They include:
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watsup said:
www.btselem.org

Settlements

From 1967 to the end of 2017, more than 200 Israeli settlements were established in the West Bank. They include:
www.btselem.org www.btselem.org
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If I understand, Israel's plan is to gradually over many decades replace Palestinians, taking more and more land. So they're patient. There will be a rare war type event or change in the law where they can take more, but mostly it's gradual and systemic. It's a bit of that 'boiling frog' metaphor where taking a little at a time for many decades doesn't get the big response.
 
Craig234 said:
If I understand, Israel's plan is to gradually over many decades replace Palestinians, taking more and more land. So they're patient. There will be a rare war type event or change in the law where they can take more, but mostly it's gradual and systemic. It's a bit of that 'boiling frog' metaphor where taking a little at a time for many decades doesn't get the big response.
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They sound like Americans
 
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