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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
The worst part of the invitation email was "To make the most of the lovely weather." line. At this point we the people were allowed to meet ONE person, outdoors. during the two exercise periods we were permitted. Otherwise we sat at home. Relatives were saying goodbye to dying loved ones by ipad, Funerals went unattended. Dementia patients sat alone, unvisited as the other residents died around them, and those utter bastards were having drunken frolics in the nice weather!
 
Manc Skipper said:
The worst part of the invitation email was "To make the most of the lovely weather." line. At this point we the people were allowed to meet ONE person, outdoors. during the two exercise periods we were permitted. Otherwise we sat at home. Relatives were saying goodbye to dying loved ones by ipad, Funerals went unattended. Dementia patients sat alone, unvisited as the other residents died around them, and those utter bastards were having drunken frolics in the nice weather!
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I feel for you. (and I am happy we did not have as severe restrictions)
 
Quote of the day.

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""There is a deal to be done but it will require a pragmatic approach from the EU," said Liz Truss."

Which is to say, she'll mumble the same silly shit Frost did.
 
Luce said:
""There is a deal to be done but it will require a pragmatic approach from the EU," said Liz Truss."

Which is to say, she'll mumble the same silly shit Frost did.
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Yea, they both are living in a fantasy world.

As long as the UK does not meet the current agreement 100%, then there ain't much to discuss.
 
PeteEU said:
Yea, they both are living in a fantasy world.

As long as the UK does not meet the current agreement 100%, then there ain't much to discuss.
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Well, yes. It's okay to bet on a busted flush, provided the other players at the table don't know it's busted.
 
Chilly bright winter day, with the channel smooth as a millpond, and the ten mile queue for the crossing gets longer, mired in Brexit paperwork.


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The final traffic camera before the Channel Tunnel is back up. As is the freight traffic!

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Man who could have thought that leaving a customs union would result in delays in passing through customs checks that did not exist for decades before.

Why this is a huge shock, the backlog is like a total surprise
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Man who could have thought that leaving a customs union would result in delays in passing through customs checks that did not exist for decades before.

Why this is a huge shock, the backlog is like a total surprise
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We were told we were scaremongering when we pointed it out.
 
Truss thinks a good deal can be made (from the view of the UK/England of course) but she is deluding herself. They made a deal, they signed a deal and if they don't like it now they will have to give things to the EU to get new negotiations started. The EU will not just give in to benefit the UK.

The EU is not going to make a deal that hurts it's own position just to please Boris and Truss. It is the UK who wants new things, the UK is going to have to move the most to the EU's position and not the other way around.
 
Well, that's ****ed.
 
So the whole "no difference" turned out to mean "all the difference" both for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU.

UK accused of leaving EU citizens in limbo over post-Brexit residence​

So this story is about how EU citizens living in Britain are having trouble getting their settled status paperwork, thus risking having to leave. Stories like these makes me wonder if my cousin's paperwork is okay. She lives in Edinburgh.

Brexit leaves furious British citizens stranded in EU countries​

The second story is about how British citizens living in the EU who wants to move back with family members who are not British citizens are facing problems with eternal delays, making them feel stranded.
 
joluoto said:
So the whole "no difference" turned out to mean "all the difference" both for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU.

UK accused of leaving EU citizens in limbo over post-Brexit residence​

So this story is about how EU citizens living in Britain are having trouble getting their settled status paperwork, thus risking having to leave. Stories like these makes me wonder if my cousin's paperwork is okay. She lives in Edinburgh.

Brexit leaves furious British citizens stranded in EU countries​

The second story is about how British citizens living in the EU who wants to move back with family members who are not British citizens are facing problems with eternal delays, making them feel stranded.
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But this is what the UK wanted. They said so several times.
 

Dover queues: The firms struggling with Brexit red tape​


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Queues upon queues. This was not on the Brexit bus.
But it's the natural development. Meanwhile EU is importing less and less from the UK. UK import from the EU is also dropping somewhat, but not the smae pace nor volumes.
(and no, the German car industry is not coming to the rescue, that was one of the dumbest statements ever made.)
 

Brexit: EU laws overhaul will boost growth, vows Boris Johnson​


While it's definitely true that UK can change a bunch of laws from the EU era they couldn't before (and tons of EU regulations are still in force in Britain because they are British law), it will make trade with EU even harder, since if regulations becomes too different British exporters will have to keep up with two different sets of laws (and if the EU regulations is harsher they will just keep following them, because they still want to be able to export to the EU without even more border issues). And when it comes to imports from EU, well EU good will be made according to EU regulations, and as long as UK regulations aren't harsher it should in theory not be a problem, in theory. Reality and theory has a tendency to not agree though.
 
So I hear something about DUP acting like children over the NI Protocol and have basically created chaos in Stormont with their First Minister stepping down, which apparently means the NI administration is in turmoil.
 
Edwin Poots (for he is so named) instructed border staff not to check goods incoming from the UK, which contravenes the NI Agreement. Johnson agreed, commenting that it was ridiculous that goods had to be checked when circulating withing the internal British marketplace. (In compliance with the international agreement HE signed, and forced throught Parliament....) Poots' boss then had to resign because he's at least aware of the protocol in such cases. The EU will no doubt respond in due course, but a trade war is the last thing Britain needs. It seems May''s bribe of a Billion pounds isn't enough for the DUP!

I missed this update at the time..

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Judge suspends Poots’ order to end Irish Sea border checks

A High Court judge has issued an interim order suspending a decision by Agriculture Minister Edwin Poots to direct a stop to Brexit agri-food checks at Northern Ireland ports.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Poots somehow got elected leader of the DUP but had to stand down three weeks later because of how badly he screwed up his rearrangement of his cabinet. He's not popular within his own party now, but powerful enough to have been given the Agriculture job, probably in the hope that he couldn't screw that up.....!
 
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