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[W:73] Why would god create an unstable planet?


Unfortunately, memes like this are only minor (at best) in value to a discussion. In all honestly Epicurus was not even atheist.

But he was a philosopher and what he said somewhat resembles the above but not quite. What he really presented was his take on ‘the logical problem of evil,“ which is based on a logical argument of what omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient capability would mean. The problem we face is the philosophical argument of “free will” which is rooted in a concept of choice and consequence no matter if individual or wide ranging (assuming without limit.) The primary principle of the free will argument is generally accepted as the best counter argument to these very old arguments about the logical problem of evil that goes back to the days of polytheism.

The only reason I mention that is the concept of polytheism allows for arguably evil things to be done by Gods, even though similar to monotheism there is usually some leading God that has the power to deal with that.

But there is a caveat to the philosophical argument of free will, and it speaks to the discussion we are having here. The caveat is we are on our own, again individual up to wide ranging (community, state, nation, what have you.)

What that means is by our actions and inactions all “evils” are explainable, both close to us and much further away even if we lack the understanding to explain it all at the point of discovery. The real consequence of this understanding from philosophy is all prayer asking for guidance and/or better outcome and/or even thanking God or Gods for a result for whatever outcome is nothing more than religious euphoria.

You are talking to no one listening.

The reason? Because by the counter argument of free will the logical problem of evil suggests that what is *not* removed is God. It was not an argument about atheism. What is removed is God watching, removed from being an active participant in your life, and the result of the philosophical debate becomes God or Gods are nothing more than “absentee landlords” (bonus points for the naming the movie I quoted.)

“Then why call him God?” Free will answers that, the supposed next step.

Now personally, I think this is all intellectual exercise. The better argument is our concepts of God or Gods are just that far off the mark for whatever is responsible for what we call our realities.
 
There is no one God but multiple ones. I am a believer in Norse Paganism
 
For this, I suggest reading a translation of the Apocryphon of John in which Jesus reveals the truth of creation to John.
 
God created the universe.
God created people.
God put them on Earth.

Earth is poorly constructed.
It has earthquakes, floods, lightning, etc.

Millions of decent people have certainly died in such events.
Millions of children have become orphaned in such events.

Why would god choose to construct the planet poorly?
Why do you assume it was constructed poorly? If the plan was to give us trials of life, it had to be constructed just like it is. The earth as is gives us what God wanted for our growth as people. Some learn what they are supposed to and others don't. That's part of the plan for us to choose good or evil. If there is no evil possible, then how can we know good or choose good? Lucifer actually wanted to bring us into a world that would have no temptations, evil, danger or anything else that would derail us from returning from earth to God. But, the glory was to be for Lucifer, not God. Jehovah's plan (Jesus) was to allow us to keep our liberty and freedom to choose good or evil and make the right choices to be able to earn the right to return to God. Without the latter, we would not be able to appreciate the marvelous life we have with all its beauty and wonders and the wonders of the creatures of our God and King. Instead of looking for the bad in things, try looking for the good and you may be a happier person.
 
Why do you assume it was constructed poorly? If the plan was to give us trials of life, it had to be constructed just like it is. The earth as is gives us what God wanted for our growth as people. Some learn what they are supposed to and others don't. That's part of the plan for us to choose good or evil. If there is no evil possible, then how can we know good or choose good? Lucifer actually wanted to bring us into a world that would have no temptations, evil, danger or anything else that would derail us from returning from earth to God. But, the glory was to be for Lucifer, not God. Jehovah's plan (Jesus) was to allow us to keep our liberty and freedom to choose good or evil and make the right choices to be able to earn the right to return to God. Without the latter, we would not be able to appreciate the marvelous life we have with all its beauty and wonders and the wonders of the creatures of our God and King. Instead of looking for the bad in things, try looking for the good and you may be a happier person.

I am not sure how things like Covid, hurricanes, earthquakes, brain cancer in young children, birth defects, etc…which affect good and bad alike, can be blamed on us being good or bad people. How would us being better people get rid of those things? The whole explanatory model seems rather strained and doesn’t make much sense.
 
Why do you assume it was constructed poorly? If the plan was to give us trials of life, it had to be constructed just like it is. The earth as is gives us what God wanted for our growth as people. Some learn what they are supposed to and others don't. That's part of the plan for us to choose good or evil. If there is no evil possible, then how can we know good or choose good? Lucifer actually wanted to bring us into a world that would have no temptations, evil, danger or anything else that would derail us from returning from earth to God. But, the glory was to be for Lucifer, not God. Jehovah's plan (Jesus) was to allow us to keep our liberty and freedom to choose good or evil and make the right choices to be able to earn the right to return to God. Without the latter, we would not be able to appreciate the marvelous life we have with all its beauty and wonders and the wonders of the creatures of our God and King. Instead of looking for the bad in things, try looking for the good and you may be a happier person.
Now we know why religious conservatives vote against helping the poor and relieving their suffering, it is against god's plan.
 
I am not sure how things like Covid, hurricanes, earthquakes, brain cancer in young children, birth defects, etc…which affect good and bad alike, can be blamed on us being good or bad people. How would us being better people get rid of those things? The whole explanatory model seems rather strained and doesn’t make much sense.
It began long before you or I appeared on the scene and no, it is not God's purpose for mankind...He stated His purpose for mankind in Genesis 1:22...

“Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.”
 
God created the universe.
God created people.
God put them on Earth.

Earth is poorly constructed.
It has earthquakes, floods, lightning, etc.

Millions of decent people have certainly died in such events.
Millions of children have become orphaned in such events.

Why would god choose to construct the planet poorly?
Retroactive birth control.
 
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I haven't seen one of those in ages.
 
God created the universe.
God created people.
God put them on Earth.

Earth is poorly constructed.
It has earthquakes, floods, lightning, etc.

Millions of decent people have certainly died in such events.
Millions of children have become orphaned in such events.

Why would god choose to construct the planet poorly?
What God wants, God gets. God, help us all.
 
It began long before you or I appeared on the scene and no, it is not God's purpose for mankind...He stated His purpose for mankind in Genesis 1:22...

“Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.”

He certainly created a very hostile environment for that if that was his purpose.
 
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Why would god choose to construct the planet poorly?
Probably because god is terrible at everything. The x-tian god is a poor planner, terrible teacher, incompetent general bereft of leadership abilities, and an absentee landlord
 
He certainly created a very hostile environment if that was his purpose.

Well, that's the same god who -- for inexplicable reasons -- decided to hold a contest between a farmer and a herder knowing in advance who he would pick as the winner and knowing that his choice of winner would cause the death of another.

Are we sure god isn't the "Satan" thing?
 
He certainly created a very hostile environment if that was his purpose.
What did Jehovah say at the end of his 6th creative day?

"After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good." Genesis 1:31

There was nothing hostile about it...Satan, Adam and Eve made it hostile...
 
What did Jehovah say at the end of his 6th creative day?

"After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good." Genesis 1:31

There was nothing hostile about it...Satan, Adam and Eve made it hostile...

Um, no. The text says elohim, meaning gods plural.

The Hebrews plagiarized the story from older civilizations.

To suggest that the accuser -- that is what s-t-n means -- and Adam and Eve made the tectonic plates that cause earthquakes is, well, absurd, if for no other reason than you're admitting all three are just as powerful as your god-thing.

It is incorrect to capitalize the word "Satan" because it neither a proper noun nor the name of a person. The word s-t-n is a Sumerian-Akkadian loan-word and not a Classical Biblical Hebrew word.
 
What did Jehovah say at the end of his 6th creative day?

"After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good." Genesis 1:31

There was nothing hostile about it...Satan, Adam and Eve made it hostile...

Sorry. Tuberculosis, Covid, earth-quakes, famine, and brain cancer are not good. Anyone who says otherwise has no credibility.
 
Why is that? God is certainly not anti-empathy. The first woman ever created defied his instruction .
Those damn women. The apple eating story in the Garden of Eden was clearly a rip off from Greek mythology, the Pandora's box story
 
Sorry. Tuberculosis, Covid, earth-quakes, famine, and brain cancer are not good. Anyone who says otherwise has no credibility.
Show me where they existed when God created Adam and Eve...
 
Um, no. The text says elohim, meaning gods plural.

The Hebrews plagiarized the story from older civilizations.

To suggest that the accuser -- that is what s-t-n means -- and Adam and Eve made the tectonic plates that cause earthquakes is, well, absurd, if for no other reason than you're admitting all three are just as powerful as your god-thing.

It is incorrect to capitalize the word "Satan" because it neither a proper noun nor the name of a person. The word s-t-n is a Sumerian-Akkadian loan-word and not a Classical Biblical Hebrew word.
Um no...

The plural form, ʼe·limʹ, is used when referring to other gods, such as at Exodus 15:11 (“gods”). It is also used as the plural of majesty and excellence, as in Psalm 89:6: “Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God [bi·venehʹ ʼE·limʹ]?” That the plural form is used to denote a single individual here and in a number of other places is supported by the translation of ʼE·limʹ by the singular form The·osʹ in the Greek Septuagint; likewise by Deus in the Latin Vulgate.

The Hebrew word ʼelo·himʹ (gods) appears to be from a root meaning “be strong.” ʼElo·himʹ is the plural of ʼelohʹah (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods (Ge 31:30, 32; 35:2), but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. ʼElo·himʹ is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men.

When applying to Jehovah, ʼElo·himʹ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [ʼElo·himʹ] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [ʼElo·himʹ] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”—The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208.

The title ʼElo·himʹ draws attention to Jehovah’s strength as the Creator. It appears 35 times by itself in the account of creation, and every time the verb describing what he said and did is in the singular number. (Ge 1:1–2:4) In him resides the sum and substance of infinite forces.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001729
 

 
Why would god choose to construct the planet poorly?

perhaps its a test


...a landowner set forth a vineyard with great care and lavish attention

he then entrusted it to tenant farmers

at harvest time, he sought his share of the produce

yet instead of giving the owner what was due him, the tenant farmers refused, ridiculing, beating, and even killing the servants sent to collect his share

they end by killing the owner’s own son

when jesus asks his audience what they thought the owner would do in response, they replied that he would put the men to a wretched death and lease his vineyard to other tenants who would give him the produce at the proper time

obviously, they did not realize that in the parable the landlord was actually describing them,... and that such a judgment would be upon them unless they repented


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21:33-46&version=NCB


BTW wondering if others here have any thoughts about the BIG PICTURE (which was formed by connecting the dots)

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the not so subtle subliminal references to the deadly game of "russian roulette" is sadly an accurate way to illustrate what modern civilization is essentially doing to itself

NOTE "the probability that humanity goes extinct from natural causes in any given year is almost guaranteed to be less than one in 14,000, and likely to be less than one in 87,000"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-47540-7

digging deeper people should realize man made CO2 decreases the odds (of humanities survival) AND further digging indicates what complicates (i.e. "lowers") humanities survival odds is, effects of economic mismanagement (which was first looked at by MIT economists back in the 1970s)

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x...it-prediction-that-society-will-collapse-soon

the inconvenient truth is,... the science of climate change AND the role of how economics intertwines with climate change could take years for people to come to terms with on their own (if ever),... so perhaps the best way to communicate the systemic "existential threat" issue effectively is to use simple graphic "art" like in this post?!

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/science/sd-me-scripps-climatechange-20170914-story.html

BTW familiar with the expression "history repeats itself?!"

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as the year 2021 nears its end, perhaps references of thousand of year old "flood" stories AND reminders that climate change has decimated ancient societies, is stuff people should think about and confront head on if they want to prevent bad things happening to humanity

http://www.sci-news.com/archaeology...e-age-civilizations-climate-change-01316.html

PS since modern civilization produces all kinds of consumer products that people "want" as a PSA (Public Service Announcement) reminder for the "consumer" holiday season,.., keep in mind Newtons law 3rd law states "for every action there is an equal BUT opposite reaction"

said another way it should be pointed out that a study found,... "Consumers Have a Bigger Impact on The Environment Than Anything Else"

https://www.sciencealert.com/consum...he-environment-than-anything-else-study-finds

...so perhaps a good place to start saving the only planet we have is to point out to friends and family,... the difference between "wants" vs "needs"
 
I am not sure how things like Covid, hurricanes, earthquakes, brain cancer in young children, birth defects, etc…which affect good and bad alike, can be blamed on us being good or bad people. How would us being better people get rid of those things? The whole explanatory model seems rather strained and doesn’t make much sense.
Reading comprehension seems to be an issue. What I wrote never blamed any of your trials on if a person is good or bad. Now, try reading it again and properly comprehend the words.
 
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