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Yes, it's my "go-to" legal expert when it comes to the Mueller investigation.
His points:
1. The Stone indictment is a "typical Mueller indictment;" very heavy on "stories" but the crimes in the indictment (as usual) all relate to acts that occurred as a result of the investigation.
2. Mueller has found almost no crime that occurred before he was appointed Special Counsel. He was appointed to find crimes that had already occurred.
IMO this is true. What crimes related to "russian conspirary to affect the election" have been found? None.
What crimes pre-election have been found? Manafort's money laundering. Cohen's taxi fraud crimes. Cohen's admission of campaign finance violations which were not even charged.
All the crimes that pertain to the investigation itself involve "lying to," or "obstruction of," which are a direct result of the investigation. While this provides grist for the "See, something must be there!" crowd, they have yet to show any actual evidence of the prime purpose of Mueller's investigation.
Yes, it's my "go-to" legal expert when it comes to the Mueller investigation.<snip>
I don't get the point? Is Mueller supposed to come out on a weekly basis and tell the press what he knows, give the american people an update? I'm pretty sure investigations don't work that way. Anything about Mueller is pure speculation.
So you like being purposely misled?
I don't get the point? Is Mueller supposed to come out on a weekly basis and tell the press what he knows, give the american people an update? I'm pretty sure investigations don't work that way. Anything about Mueller is pure speculation.
The point Dershowitz is making is that this Stone indictment is no different than everything else Mueller has done to date...and nothing he has done to date relates to the purpose of his investigation.
Now...that's not to say that Mueller WON'T come up with something that he is supposed to be trying to find. Dershowitz doesn't say anything about that. He is just talking about this Stone indictment.
Yes, it's my "go-to" legal expert when it comes to the Mueller investigation.
His points:
1. The Stone indictment is a "typical Mueller indictment;" very heavy on "stories" but the crimes in the indictment (as usual) all relate to acts that occurred as a result of the investigation.
2. Mueller has found almost no crime regarding the goal of his actual investigation that occurred before he was appointed Special Counsel.
3. That while the things he has indicted people for are crimes, they are not the crimes he was appointed to find.
IMO this is true. What crimes related to "Trump-Russian conspirary to affect the election" have been found? None.
What crimes pre-election have been found? Manafort's money laundering. Cohen's taxi fraud crimes. Cohen's admission of campaign finance violations which were not even charged.
All the crimes that pertain to the investigation itself involve "lying to," or "obstruction of," which are a direct result of the investigation. While this provides grist for the "See, something must be there!" crowd, they have yet to show any actual evidence of the prime purpose of Mueller's investigation.
If your only point is to deflect with insults, why participate in a thread? :coffeepap:
The problem is, and has been, is that Mueller is an investigator in search of a crime. We know now that the FBI started an investigation on Trump without basis and that evolved into Mueller's task - which is investigate collusion between Russia and the Trump Campaign When Mueller has something, anything, he pulls this dramatic early morning door banging and drops an indictment.
3. That while the things he has indicted people for are crimes, they are not the crimes he was appointed to find.
IMO this is true. What crimes related to "Trump-Russian conspirary to affect the election" have been found? None.
And now for the Captain Adverse Confirmation Bias Show!
And now for the Captain Adverse Confirmation Bias Show!
And the fallacious deflections continue. :coffeepap:
So you like being purposely misled?
Again speculation. Mueller doesn't have to show all his cards in the indictment so saying there's nothing there doesn't make it so.
And now for the Captain Adverse Confirmation Bias Show!
Clearly, he does use a self described entertainment channel for information rather than actual news...
And now for the Captain Adverse Confirmation Bias Show!
And the fallacious deflections continue. :coffeepap:
deflections
I am looking for Dershowitz to come out stronger on how the American people and the justice system are being abused for political gain.
Now, because I already put a dangerous amount of words up and too many people want to issue very important-sounding opinions without bothering to know what the **** they're talking about - the television beckons! My apps! Facebook! The dog needs to walk! - I'm putting this separately:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...nt-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html
In part:
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the special counsel.
28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a):
(a) . . . The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted
So, again, that's PART of the appointment letter, and ONE PART of the first of SEVERAL CFR regulations governing this, and does NOT even include the DOJ guidelines
tl;dr folk:
1. It's way broader than "collusion"
2. Mueller is not looking for "collusion"
3. Adverse lied. Again.
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