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[W:622][W: 252] For those who think people who carry live in absurd fear...

No, they don't.

How many times do we need to go over the same ground?

Maybe review instead.

?? I realize you're not going to admit it. It doesnt matter...anyone else interested can follow back and see.

You accused me of lying...and cant prove it...as a means to divert from your overall failure to make your argument here.

You used it to avoid answering, several times, what distinctions you made between having life preservers on boats, wearing helmets, etc. and carrying firearms? In terms of assessing risks and being prepared OR 'living in fear'. Any time you want to do so, feel free.
 
To me people who carry a fire arm are slightly out of balance with life. I have worked as a doorman in San Francisco and elsewhere and never felt any need for a firearm.
 
Obviously you have never lived in the woods.
Well, I live on the edge of tens of thousands of acres of woods. My daughter killed her first deer maybe 200 yards from the house, where the lawn turns to woods. Trail cams at that edge of the yard routinely catch deer, coyotes, squirrels, skunks, opossums, raccoons, and the occasional bobcat. But no. I don't live in the woods. And even though rattlesnakes and copperheads are fairly common in the area, we don't have snake problems up by the house. We keep the grass cut short, and don't allow rodent infestations, brush piles, or overgrown junk cars.
 
Of course not.

Try reading it again. Maybe slow down.

Or were you trying to be funny?
Well what do deer have to do with snakes, then?
 
Try reading it again. Slowly.

(I honestly thought you were joking).
Snakes require a food source. You started babbling about deer and mountain lions.

Just admit that rattlesnakes eat rodents like rats and mice. You're spinning in circles to avoid that admission.
 
To me people who carry a fire arm are slightly out of balance with life. I have worked as a doorman in San Francisco and elsewhere and never felt any need for a firearm.
The FBI calculates that there are approx 1.2 million violent crimes yearly in the country. Very few of those crimes are perpetrated against armed law enforcement officers which leaves the rest as attacks on citizens.

As for San Francisco:

From 2014 to 2019, between 56,000 and 63,000 total violent and property crimes were recorded. In 2021, there were a total of 49,685 recorded crimes.
Burglaries are also still at high rates, with 7,217 recorded in 2021, just a few hundred fewer than the year before but more than 40% higher than 2019 levels. That number is particularly notable, given the Louis Vuitton smash-and-grab that reached national headlines late last year.
Larceny theft is perhaps the crime with the most significant uptick from 2020, with a 21% increase — and a 39% increase of “theft from vehicle.” That said, these numbers are still lower than 2019’s. In 2019, 42,022 larceny thefts were recorded by San Francisco police — last year, there were 31,139.

So while its good you havent been a victim of violent crime there...many are.
 
Snakes require a food source. You started babbling about deer and mountain lions.

Just admit that rattlesnakes eat rodents like rats and mice. You're spinning in circles to avoid that admission.
What are you talking about?

Try actually reading my post again.

I live in a riparian forest. It has a thriving eco system, top to bottom. The nearest house to mine is over a mile away.

Household vermin has nothing to do with it. It's a Forrest.

You really are coming across as some city slicker or suburbanite, wholly unfamiliar with truly rural environments.
 
To me people who carry a fire arm are slightly out of balance with life. I have worked as a doorman in San Francisco and elsewhere and never felt any need for a firearm.
I guess those 20,000 people who get murdered every year didn't need a gun, either.
 
What are you talking about?

Try actually reading my post again.

I live in a riparian forest. It has a thriving eco system, top to bottom. The nearest house to mine is over a mile away.

Household vermin has nothing to do with it. It's a Forrest.

You really are coming across as some city slicker or suburbanite, wholly unfamiliar with truly rural environments.

What do the snakes eat in this thriving eco-system? You seem to be hesitant to say.
 
What do the snakes eat in this thriving eco-system? You seem to be hesitant to say.
Mostly small mamals.

It's a Forrest. That isn't "vermin" it's nature.

Your point that I wouldn't have snakes here if I somehow dealt with the vermin problem in the forrest is just really silly.

You sound like a clueless a urbanite.
 
Yeah prompted by a long mess of a conversation with @NolanVoyd
Here's an example of someone just minding their own and they were attacked out of the blue. For no reason. Imagine if she had been armed....

How about this father who was armed, and shot two attackers?
Was he a scaredy cat living in needless fear? Imagine if he hadn't the means to defend his family at that moment!

In both cases above, and these were just from today, innocent people were minding their own business and were victimized by bad actors.

In one case, the victim was badly injured but saved thankfully because others showed up to help her. In the other case, two perps were stopped before a family was harmed.

Does anyone really think it's fear that drives those of us that carry, to carry? Or is it a grim determination to not be victims?

I do not carry out of fear, though I do know there are those that do because of where they live or the situation they are in. But not everyone who carries carries out of fear.

No one needs anything more than a small snub-nose revolver for self-defense purposes.
 
Mostly small mamals.

It's a Forrest. That isn't "vermin" it's nature.

Your point that I wouldn't have snakes here if I somehow dealt with the vermin problem in the forrest is just really silly.

You sound like a clueless a urbanite.

Around your house, not out in the woods. Do you have no buffer zone between your house and the woods?

What's with the personal attacks?
 
Coming from you that means literally nothing.

Stuff coming from 4-star generals, trauma surgeons, public health specialists, and law enforcement mean nothing to you either. You are a true believer and so impervious to any rationality or reason.
 
Stuff coming from 4-star generals, trauma surgeons, and law enforcement mean nothing to you either. You are a true believer and so impervious to any rationality or reason.

Four star generals claim that all one needs is a small revolver? All of them claim that? Does all of law enforcement claim that as well? All surgeons?
 
Around your house, not out in the woods. Do you have no buffer zone between your house and the woods?

What's with the personal attacks?
My house is in the woods.

And what personal attacks? Quote me.
 
My house is in the woods.

And what personal attacks? Quote me.

No buffer zone between your house and the woods? Undergrowth and brush encroachment? No wonder you have rats and mice....and snakes.

You have bird feeders close to the house?
 
Right.

Live your life in fear of you want to, I just couldn't live like that. You poor guy.
A bit late to the party, and something I might have mentioned once or twice or so.
Family went out to eat in what is an area frequented by tourists. We had leftovers, so we carried our boxes. I was the last to leave the restaurant, and pronto, clumsy as I am, the box fell. So here comes this homeless guy, helping me to pick it up...he was hungry and I offered. We engaged in a conversation. So here comes BIL, a gun lover, to my 'rescue', hand over his manhood (aka concealed weapon).
The moral of the story is that we should, perhaps, first assess the situation for what it really is. Carrying a gun makes us think we need to be heroes.
A gun can snuff a life.
 
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