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[W:5949][W:1030]***Official January 6 Public Hearings Thread***

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I thank God that my life is not so empty as to care about the status of a thread on DP.
We've both been lurking around in these same halls, have we not?🙂
 
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Nobody asked you to chime in with your misinformation. Go back under your rock. Hate Islander's fans.
Islanders fans? What the hell are you blabbering about?

Misinformation is what you're doing in this thread. Nothing but lies and conspiracy theories, anything to defend traitors.
 

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I love the whataboutisms with Hunter Biden who has not one thing to do with January 6.

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I love the whataboutisms with Hunter Biden who has not one thing to do with January 6.

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Interesting that since the investigation, the old "Benghazi" refrain is missing. Probably because it showed someone clearly and honestly testifying under oath for many hours and handling it with integrity and composure. :rolleyes: Not sure I see the Trump loyalists and Trump himself handling their day in court so well, ;)
 

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Interesting that since the investigation, the old "Benghazi" refrain is missing. Probably because it showed someone clearly and honestly testifying under oath for many hours and handling it with integrity and composure. :rolleyes: Not sure I see the Trump loyalists and Trump himself handling their day in court so well, ;)
You might be surprised. When these pricks are under oath, they seem to be quite submissive, complaint wimps who all the sudden tell the truth compared to the noisy carnival barking liars they are when they get on camera and aren't under oath. Amazing how much of a personality change falls into place when they are faced with jail time for lying.
 

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You might be surprised. When these pricks are under oath, they seem to be quite submissive, complaint wimps who all the sudden tell the truth compared to the noisy carnival barking liars they are when they get on camera and aren't under oath. Amazing how much of a personality change falls into place when they are faced with jail time for lying.
I guess I am more looking towards Trump and his reaction to being grilled like HIllary was. Damn. I am not a huge Hillary fan (don't hate her either), but she clearly showed her grasp of the subject and general intelligence on that one.
 

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The missing texts of various depts are really raising my hinky meter. No way these can be coinky-dinks


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These three figures can not only explain why the National Guard wasn't quickly deployed to secure the Capitol, despite the lies coming from those same people that Trump did order the Guard to be deployed.

….Another thing: Miller and Patel were exactly the kind of loyalists Trump installed to do his bidding in the final days of his presidency. Exactly the types of people who would fill the gov't under his "Schedule F" plan should he be re-elected.

….At a minimum, Miller, Patel, and McCarthy were responsible for the bumbling choas that led to the three-hour delay. Maybe it was more deliberate. But they were responsible.

….To put a finer point on it, here is the lede from CNN: "DOD wiped the phones of top departing DOD and Army officials at the end of the Trump administration..."

….That seems awfully specific. Were only phones from "top officials" wiped??? ….What kind of "process" was that?

….So for those following, we have Secret Service agents' texts disappeared, along with those belonging to top DoD and Army officials. Who is going to go on record as to exactly whose records were wiped, when, and h
 

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Are missing Homeland Security texts hiding the biggest secret of Jan. 6?​

The possibility of a major cover-up broke wide open earlier this month when investigators revealed that almost all texts sent by key Secret Service officials and agents on the critical dates of Jan. 5 and 6 have disappeared — blamed on a “technology transfer” even though USSS officials had been warned to preserve the texts before they were apparently destroyed. A major plot twist came this week when it was revealed that the Homeland Security inspector general responsible for USSS — a Donald Trump nominee who had worked for the GOP governor of Arizona — allegedly quashed his underlings’ efforts to recover those messages earlier this year.

But a second major revelation about missing text messages at the Department of Homeland Security, or DHS, should set off all kinds of alarm bells — both about the extent of the cover-up and also, more importantly, about what officials might be trying to hide.

The Washington Post is now reporting that the same tainted DHS inspector general, Joseph Cuffari, also learned back in February that Jan. 6 texts for the two top Homeland Security officials, the (dubiously named) acting Secretary Chad Wolf, and acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli, can’t be found. As with the Secret Service, the officials claimed their government phones were “reset” when the Biden administration took over. And as with the Secret Service, there are serious questions why Cuffari didn’t do more to investigate or try to find the texts. Communications from undersecretary Randolph “Tex” Alles, a former Secret Service chief, are also gone.

Two things are important here. First, the idea that the destruction of this key evidence was an innocent mistake caused by a technology snafu is almost certainly complete and utter baloney. The headline for this excellent Washington Post analysis of the situation pretty much says it all: “Secret Service’s ‘ludicrous’ deletion of Jan. 6 phone data baffles experts.” These experts told the paper that the failure to back up critical records from such a high-profile event as the Capitol insurrection is “not something any other organization would ever do.”

But even more critically, I want to raise the issue of just what exactly texts to and from DHS higher-ups like Wolf and Cuccinelli — part of a flood of ultra-Trump loyalists placed in critical government posts in the days leading up to the attempted coup — might reveal. Beginning in the summer of 2020 — as the fraught presidential election drew near and Trump was trailing Joe Biden in the polls — Wolf’s DHS became the key nexus in a scheme to highlight leftist protesters who were branded, accurately or not, as and labeled America’s top national security threat. >>>>>>

 

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Judge rejects Trump effort to toss lawsuits accusing him of Jan. 6 conspiracy​

In a 112-page ruling, the judge said the evidence suggests Trump assembled the crowd and then instructed the rally-goers to march on the Capitol.

A federal judge has rejected former President Donald Trump’s effort to dismiss multiple lawsuits accusing him of bearing legal responsibility for the violent Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

In a 112-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta said the evidence suggests Trump assembled the crowd and then instructed the rally goers to march on the Capitol, despite knowing that the crowd likely included violent and destructive elements.

And Trump’s Twitter attack amid the violence on then-Vice President Mike Pence, who was presiding over the counting of electoral votes that would finalize President Joe Biden’s victory, suggests a “tacit agreement” with those who stormed the Capitol and sent Pence and lawmakers fleeing for safety, Mehta wrote.


“It is reasonable to infer that the President would have understood the impact of his tweet, since he had told rally-goers earlier that, in effect, the Vice President was the last line of defense against a stolen election outcome,” ruled Mehta, an appointee of President Barack Obama.

The ruling leaves Trump’s inner circle — and possibly the former president himself — vulnerable to another flurry of deposition subpoenas and document demands. The ruling also declares Trump potentially liable for conduct while he was the sitting president, a rare and momentous legal decision.

“To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step,” Mehta wrote. “The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent, and the court believes that its decision is consistent with the purposes behind such immunity.”

 

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Ex-White House counsel subpoenaed by federal grand jury investigating Jan. 6 attack

A federal grand jury has subpoenaed former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone in its investigation into the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol and efforts to overturn the 2020 election, sources with direct knowledge of the matter told ABC News.

The sources told ABC News that attorneys for Cipollone -- like they did with the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol -- are expected to engage in negotiations around any appearance, while weighing concerns regarding potential claims of executive privilege.

The move to subpoena Cipollone signals an even more dramatic escalation in the Justice Department's investigation of the Jan. 6 attack than previously known, following appearances by senior members of former Vice President Mike Pence's staff before the grand jury two weeks ago.

A representative for Cipollone could not be reached for comment.

Last month, Cipollone spoke to the House Jan. 6 Select Committee for a lengthy closed-door interview, portions of which have been shown during two of the committee's most recent public hearings.

 

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Justice department urged to investigate deletion of January 6 texts by Pentagon


Watchdog group calls on Merrick Garland asked to investigate deleted phone messages from senior Trump officials


In an open letter to Garland, American Oversight said: “We urge you to investigate DoD’s failure to preserve the text messages of several high-ranking officials on or surrounding the day of the January 6 attack.”

In its Freedom of Information request, American Oversight sought the release of communications between senior officials and Trump, his vice-president, Mike Pence, his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, “or anyone communicating on their behalf on January 6”.

Among officials whose communications are at issue are the former acting defense secretary Chris Miller; former army secretary Ryan McCarthy; Kash Patel, who was Miller’s chief of staff; Paul Ney, formerly Pentagon general counsel; and James E McPherson, formerly general counsel of the army.

The Pentagon’s sluggish response to the Capitol attack remains the subject of widespread speculation and investigation.

As the New York Times put it last month, “the mobilisation and deployment of national guard troops from an armory just two miles away from the Capitol was hung up by confusion, communications breakdowns and concern over the wisdom of dispatching armed soldiers to quell the riot”.

Messages between senior DoD officials and the White House could shed light on what happened.

 

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Justice department urged to investigate deletion of January 6 texts by Pentagon


Watchdog group calls on Merrick Garland asked to investigate deleted phone messages from senior Trump officials


In an open letter to Garland, American Oversight said: “We urge you to investigate DoD’s failure to preserve the text messages of several high-ranking officials on or surrounding the day of the January 6 attack.”

In its Freedom of Information request, American Oversight sought the release of communications between senior officials and Trump, his vice-president, Mike Pence, his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, “or anyone communicating on their behalf on January 6”.

Among officials whose communications are at issue are the former acting defense secretary Chris Miller; former army secretary Ryan McCarthy; Kash Patel, who was Miller’s chief of staff; Paul Ney, formerly Pentagon general counsel; and James E McPherson, formerly general counsel of the army.

The Pentagon’s sluggish response to the Capitol attack remains the subject of widespread speculation and investigation.

As the New York Times put it last month, “the mobilisation and deployment of national guard troops from an armory just two miles away from the Capitol was hung up by confusion, communications breakdowns and concern over the wisdom of dispatching armed soldiers to quell the riot”.

Messages between senior DoD officials and the White House could shed light on what happened.


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I am struggling to NOT jump to conclusions.
This is more suspicious than anything else in the story this far.

@Credence , I appreciate your posts here and your point is most important that we are talking about trump appointments of loyalists like Patel at the Pentagon, in December.

The select committee has a goal of defining legislation for consideration in the next session.

They have more work than ever because we need better laws about wiping govt. phones


Thanks for the updates, news is coming in fast!
 

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I am struggling to NOT jump to conclusions.
This is more suspicious than anything else in the story this far.

@Credence , I appreciate your posts here and your point is most important that we are talking about trump appointments of loyalists like Patel at the Pentagon, in December.

The select committee has a goal of defining legislation for consideration in the next session.

They have more work than ever because we need better laws about wiping govt. phones


Thanks for the updates, news is coming in fast!
Thanks.

It is hard to not jump to conclusions. These missing texts from the different departments just raise my hinky meter.
Just think it is difficult to believe that these are just coinky-dinks
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Judge rejects Trump effort to toss lawsuits accusing him of Jan. 6 conspiracy
In a 112-page ruling, the judge said the evidence suggests Trump assembled the crowd and then instructed the rally-goers to march on the Capitol.

A federal judge has rejected former President Donald Trump’s effort to dismiss multiple lawsuits accusing him of bearing legal responsibility for the violent Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

In a 112-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta said the evidence suggests Trump assembled the crowd and then instructed the rally goers to march on the Capitol, despite knowing that the crowd likely included violent and destructive elements.

And Trump’s Twitter attack amid the violence on then-Vice President Mike Pence, who was presiding over the counting of electoral votes that would finalize President Joe Biden’s victory, suggests a “tacit agreement” with those who stormed the Capitol and sent Pence and lawmakers fleeing for safety, Mehta wrote.


“It is reasonable to infer that the President would have understood the impact of his tweet, since he had told rally-goers earlier that, in effect, the Vice President was the last line of defense against a stolen election outcome,” ruled Mehta, an appointee of President Barack Obama.

The ruling leaves Trump’s inner circle — and possibly the former president himself — vulnerable to another flurry of deposition subpoenas and document demands. The ruling also declares Trump potentially liable for conduct while he was the sitting president, a rare and momentous legal decision.

“To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step,” Mehta wrote. “The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent, and the court believes that its decision is consistent with the purposes behind such immunity.” >>>>

 

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Judge allows Capitol riot officer lawsuits against Trump to go forward​

A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a motion from Donald Trump to dismiss three lawsuits brought by four police officers against the former president for their injuries suffered during the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol.

The two-paragraph order from DC District Judge Amit Mehta rejects Trump’s claim that he has immunity from these lawsuits because his actions fell within his presidential duties.

US Capitol Police officers Briana Kirkland and Marcus Moore, along with Washington, DC Metropolitan Police officers DeDivine K. Carter and Bobby Tabron, allege Trump is responsible for the Capitol attack.

Tuesday, Mehta cited his ruling from February in a similar case involving Capitol Police officers suing Trump for their injuries where he sided with the officers.

“The court already rejected President Trump’s assertion of immunity,” Mehta said in the brief order. “The court does so again.”

In the previous order, Mehta wrote that Trump’s alleged actions did not fall into the “outer perimeter” of official presidential responsibilities because they were “entirely concern[ed] with his efforts to remain in office for a second term.”

 

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I finally watched the January 21 hearing on YouTube. There was some very powerful stuff in it.
Absolutely, the camera available to him at any time, people trying to call him, Cippollone revealed so much that answered questions, he's now scheduled to testify at the Grand Jury.

They put at least 6 CTs to death.
 
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