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[W: #589] Why are Christians so mean?

trixare4kids said:
Obviously not enough to make those who troll Christians stop.
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Which only brings up the point of who started this food fight? It seems that, at least @SNOWFLAKE , likes to dish it out but doesn't like us taking it and tossing it back at them. It's their food, afterall.
 
I can't imagine why you would find the Ten Commandments "bizarre." Even secularists who ignore the first three will find the next seven excellent practical advice for life.
 
Overitall said:
If we are not children of Israel certain commandments don't apply to us. If I wrote a letter to a friend asking him to do something, how would those instructions apply to you?
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Tell it to @nota bene. She's the one who had never heard any of the excuses Christians make for why they don't have to follow the Ten Commandments.

If you had been paying attention, you might have noticed that I already addressed the fact that Gentile Christians are not children of Israel:

AConcernedCitizen said:
This is a fascinating development. I thought it was pretty universally recognized by Christians that Mosaic Law was specific to the Old Covenant with the nation of Israel and did not apply to Gentiles, modern Christians, etc.
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Of course, going with the "Gentiles aren't children of Israel" excuse puts you in the somewhat awkward position of believing that people who are children of Israel are not only morally justified in killing anyone they see working on a Friday night or Saturday, but are in fact morally obligated to do so.

If a Jewish person shows up at a Friday Night football game with an AR-15 and massacres the football players, the marching band, the half-time show performers and the guy who sells popcorn, will you say "It's okay. Its actually good that he killed all those people. It's what God wanted him to do."

Of course not. You need some sort of justification for even semitic Christians to no longer be required to stone Wiccans to death and stuff.

That's where Jesus "fulfilling" the law comes in. This is why most Christians I met end up settling on the idea that Jesus brought an end to the Old Covenant and all its brutal and nonsensical laws.
 
CharisRose said:
Sorry for another misunderstanding. What is needed is an in-depth Bible Study to reach a Biblical understanding concerning this subject.
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Oh, I don't think this is necessary. What you have here is someone who is adversarial and antagonistic and looking for a jot or a tittle with which to argue and condemn those who believe, and it's pitiable. But I'm looking forward to his expert analysis on precisely how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
 
Overitall said:
Which only brings up the point of who started this food fight? It seems that, at least @SNOWFLAKE , likes to dish it out but doesn't like us taking it and tossing it back at them. It's their food, afterall.
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Almost all who go after Christians aren't usually the pillars of the community. Humanists and atheists mostly live and let live and disrespect those who make it their duty to go after Christians. In other words, it isn't hard to debunk the nasty schtick of those who are everything they accuse Christians of being. Ironically, they're mean. Without fail, and when their "argument" is debunked, they're always the first to play the victim, pack up their toys, abandoning their trollish arguments.
 
nota bene said:
I can't imagine why you would find the Ten Commandments "bizarre." Even secularists who ignore the first three will find the next seven excellent practical advice for life.
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I did not mean that all the commandments were bizarre.

Only that the Ten Commandments are not presented in the Old Testament as the entire law, but rather as the beginning of a much longer list which includes things like not eating shrimp and not wearing cotton/poly blend t-shirts.

Also, I can only imagine you meant the first four and last six, rather than the first three and last seven. I don't know any secularists who keep the Sabbath.
 
nota bene said:
I can't imagine why you would find the Ten Commandments "bizarre." Even secularists who ignore the first three will find the next seven excellent practical advice for life.
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Many atheists practice the principles of those seven, but don't like being told they are keeping God's commandments.
 
And some take it a step further by having a meltdown.
 
Ah, thank you for that corrective jot. You must be very proud of yourself.
 
Overitall said:
Which only brings up the point of who started this food fight? It seems that, at least @SNOWFLAKE , likes to dish it out but doesn't like us taking it and tossing it back at them. It's their food, afterall.
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Here we are again.

You do your dismissive "have a nice day" routine, and then switch from discussing the topic to throwing snark at other posters.

Is this going to be the new snark forum? Or are you going to address whether Christians are required to follow the Ten Commandments or not?

Since the Ten Commandments were made as part of a Covenant with the nation of Israel, does that mean that Gentile Christians don't have to follow them since they were never part of the nation of Israel?

Do Christians who are children of Israel have to follow them still in the modern era?
 
nota bene said:
Ah, thank you for that corrective jot. You must be very proud of yourself.
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You are more than welcome.

Don't want to miss any jots or tittles. I hear bad things can happen if you get a jot or tittle wrong.

So, are Christians required to follow the Ten Commandments (including the commandment to prevent any foreigners in your town from working on a Saturday) or aren't they?
 
You may call it "dismissive," but I think that abandoning any hope of a reasonable discourse in this way is very civil. And not that I think you have the slightest interest in answers from Christians other than the hope of a "Gotcha," here is your answer: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:17-19
 
I guess I need to enlarge my siggy for those unable to see it.

I'm not sure how, or why, telling someone to enjoy the rest of their day is considered snark. It's just a polite way of disengaging from a pointless/futile continuance of the discussion.
 

I have already made reference to that passage, so I don't know why you would present it as though it was new information.

A straightforward reading to my mind would be that when Jesus says:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them"

Would be that the law would continue to remain in effect. Of course, those laws include commandments to kill homosexuals, witches, and people who work on Saturdays.

The popular excuses I have heard to get around this are that the Law Jesus is talking about was made as part of a Covenant with the nation of Israel, so it don't apply to Gentile Christians, and alternatively that when Jesus says "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" that the word "fulfill" represents a conclusion to Old Testament law, so that it is no longer in effect.

The excuse about Gentiles not being required to follow God's laws because they are not Children of Israel is problematic in that it requires you to justify all the Jews and Semetic Christians continuing to stone homosexuals to death and stuff.

If you have another excuse besides those two, I would love to hear it. I will add it to my collection of amusing excuses.
 
It is...except for those whose agenda has been frustrated.
 

The snark I was referring to was the snark that I quoted:

Overitall said:
Which only brings up the point of who started this food fight? It seems that, at least @SNOWFLAKE , likes to dish it out but doesn't like us taking it and tossing it back at them. It's their food, afterall.
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That post had no content related to the topic. It was pure snark directed at @SNOWFLAKE which you engaged in after running away from the actual topic, as is your custom.
 
nota bene said:
It is...except for those whose agenda has been frustrated.
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Only if you actually disengage from the discussion.

@Overitall stuck around to discuss @SNOWFLAKE instead of discussing the topic.

Though I suppose it is somewhat on topic in this particular thread, since it is in fact an example of a Christian being meanspirited.
 
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