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[W:#588][W:#502]Transgender swimmer destroying records

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The only transgender person to win a metal at the Olympics (post-transition) was a non-binary women's soccer player named Quinn. They were born female, and simply identifies as non-binary.
That's a convoluted way of saying she's always been a woman.
 

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The NY times has an article on the new SOC for wpath. Further movement to the correct side.

More gatekeeping of kids prior to transitioning...more caution around medicalization ... and even an acknowledgmenet that some of the current cohort are being influenced by social media.

That the times is reporting this seems significant.


the guidelines take a more cautious stance on teens. A new chapter dedicated to adolescents says that they must undergo mental health assessments and must have questioned their gender identity for “several years” before receiving drugs or surgeries.

new standards state that clinicians should facilitate an “open exploration” of gender with adolescents and their families, without pushing them in one direction or another. But the guidelines recommend restricting the use of medications and surgeries, partly because of their medical risks.

other trans health specialists are concerned by the sharp increase in adolescents who are referred to gender clinics, and worry that the desire for hormones and surgeries may be driven partly by peer influence on social media platforms like TikTok and YouTube.
 

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The NY times has an article on the new SOC for wpath. Further movement to the correct side.

More gatekeeping of kids prior to transitioning...more caution around medicalization ... and even an acknowledgmenet that some of the current cohort are being influenced by social media.

That the times is reporting this seems significant.


You obviously didn't read the article. It just says that teens who want to transition need to be made absolutely clear what it is they are looking into.
 

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That's a convoluted way of saying she's always been a woman.

Trans women are women, no matter how many times transphobes have told you otherwise. :)
 

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point of fact, they are not, biologically

Don't enable the transphobes. Gender is the whole person, not just what's between their legs.
 

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Don't enable the transphobes. Gender is the whole person, not just what's between their legs.

Gender has become personal identity, that is what has caused the fuss.

We need 3 designations so things are clear. male, female and other.

men sports, women sports and other sports.

period

stop the insanity
 

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Gender has become personal identity, that is what has caused the fuss.

We need 3 designations so things are clear. male, female and other.

men sports, women sports and other sports.

period

stop the insanity

That's just hysteria. Besides, if transgender teens were given access to hormone blockers, there would be far fewer of these cases anyway.

And do you notice how the transphobes NEVER express "concern" about trans men in men's sports?
 

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And do you notice how the transphobes NEVER express "concern" about trans men in men's sports?

Why would they?

They hold no advantage in men sport.

The hold a decided, unfair advantage in women sport.

Men sport does not disallow participation of women.

Women sport was created to disallow men.
 

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Why would they?

They hold no advantage in men sport.

The hold a decided, unfair advantage in women sport.

And just like that, you made my point for me.

Transphobes don't care about equality or fairness. They just want to keep trans people down. So if there is any perception of an advantage for a trans person, they will fight it tooth and nail.

Never mind that trans people suffer all kinds of disadvantages in life. The transphobes don't want to talk about that.

Men sport does not disallow participation of women.

Women sport was created to disallow men.

Women's sports were created to increase participation, not decrease it. So another premise by you fails. :)
 

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Women's sports were created to increase participation, not decrease it. So another premise by you fails. :)

Come on, you are better than this, seriously.

Don't be a Donald.
 

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Come on, you are better than this, seriously.

Don't be a Donald.

So you're not going to address the issue? You're going to resort to ad homs? That was quick.
 

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You obviously didn't read the article. It just says that teens who want to transition need to be made absolutely clear what it is they are looking into.
The new SOC is definetly a move in my direction. You are free to attempt to justify is however you want.

the new SOC states. Adolescents need to be questioning "for several years" and recommends restricting medicalization for kids. If you dont think that's more gatekeeping, then....
 

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So you're not going to address the issue? You're going to resort to ad homs? That was quick.

What issue?

You made shit up.

Women sport came about because women wanted to play sport and could not compete with men because we are so superior.

Please don't again dispute this basic truth. Honest. Just don't.
 

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The new SOC is definetly a move in my direction. You are free to attempt to justify is however you want.

the new SOC states. Adolescents need to be questioning "for several years" and recommends restricting medicalization for kids. If you dont think that's more gatekeeping, then....

Fascinating. You seem to be under the impression that I think that people should be able to get gender confirmation surgery easily, when I've never said that once. I might as well accuse you of wanting to block all gender confirmation surgeries. You don't want that--right?

(bet you'll deliberately misinterpret what I just said)
 

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What issue?

You made shit up.

Women sport came about because women wanted to play sport and could not compete with men because we are so superior.

:LOL:

The average cis man is stronger than the average cis woman, but when it comes to emotional strength and empathy? We have work to do.

Please don't again dispute this basic truth. Honest. Just don't.

You deny that women's sports were created to expand and not reduce opportunities?
 

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You deny that women's sports were created to expand and not reduce opportunities?

Go **** with someone else.

I don't play word games with zealots who are evading truth.

Women sport was not intended for sissy men. Period. Fact. Deal with it.
 

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Go **** with someone else.

I don't play word games with zealots who are evading truth.

Women sport was not intended for sissy men. Period. Fact. Deal with it.

I respect you more than you think, so it's unfortunate to see you stoop to talking like righties do.

What you don't understand is that I want an expansion of sports opportunities, not a contraction of them. Transphobes want that contraction.
 

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I respect you more than you think, so it's unfortunate to see you stoop to talking like righties do.

What you don't understand is that I want an expansion of sports opportunities, not a contraction of them. Transphobes want that contraction.

That is fine and I am on board. NOT at the expense of women.

I was not kidding, create a 3rd category of sport, other.

I support the trans.

EVERY movement on earth that I have know is extreme in nature, that is how they move the masses to the middle. Good for them, you. I get the need to do this. Just don't try to insist I adapt the radical mores of this or any movement.

Have trans beauty pageants, trans sports, tans whatever you like. Do not infringe on others to gain your wants is all.
 

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What you don't understand is that I want an expansion of sports opportunities, not a contraction of them. Transphobes want that contraction.
Then maybe MtFs should get their own sports thing going instead of stealing from Cis Females.
 

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That is fine and I am on board. NOT at the expense of women.

Only in people's imaginations are women's rights being compromised here.

I was not kidding, create a 3rd category of sport, other.

And make trans women a third class of citizens. It's obvious what you really want.

I support the trans.

"The trans." If you're going to lie like this, do try to be more convincing.

EVERY movement on earth that I have know is extreme in nature, that is how they move the masses to the middle. Good for them, you. I get the need to do this. Just don't try to insist I adapt the radical mores of this or any movement.

Have trans beauty pageants, trans sports, tans whatever you like. Do not infringe on others to gain your wants is all.

That is remarkably similar to homophobic comments. "A man can be with another man, just don't call it marriage."

Social cons have pivoted from "the sanctity of marriage" to "the integrity of sports."
 

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Then maybe MtFs should get their own sports thing going instead of stealing from Cis Females.

^ Another post with deafening silence on FtM trans people.
 

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Fascinating. You seem to be under the impression that I think that people should be able to get gender confirmation surgery easily, when I've never said that once. I might as well accuse you of wanting to block all gender confirmation surgeries. You don't want that--right?

(bet you'll deliberately misinterpret what I just said)

Great. Im just happy there is now more gatekeeping recommended by wpath and there will be less damage to kids.
 

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Don't enable the transphobes. Gender is the whole person, not just what's between their legs.

Woman is a biological-based term, not a gender-based term.

The women's high jump or 100m sprint is not segregated by feelings or identity, it's segregated by sex.
 

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Trans women are women, no matter how many times transphobes have told you otherwise. :)
Question: is there anything a man who calls himself a woman on the basis of feelings can say that would make you reject that claim? Because if there isn't, the term "woman" is devoid of meaning.

"I feel like a woman this morning, ergo that's what I am."

Do you not see how utterly absurd that is? It's good to be open minded, quite another to let your brains fall out.
 
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