[W:531]What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

[truthatallcost]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Sex addiction is a thing, it however is not like drug addiction nor does it have anything to do with "sluts". That is a distinction you seem unable to grasp.

Define slut. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Peter King]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Define slut. Maybe I'm missing something.

Again, it is just as easy to call it promiscuous, there is no need for that word. And there is an enormous difference between someone who is promiscuous and someone who is a sex addict.

 

[truthatallcost]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Again, it is just as easy to call it promiscuous, there is no need for that word. And there is an enormous difference between someone who is promiscuous and someone who is a sex addict.

But is it a choice? I don't think people would choose to be something that society deems is shameful. So maybe promiscuity is more like drug addiction than previously thought?

I don't see much difference between promiscuity and sex addiction. Both have negative consequences, which are ignored in favor of short term gratification.

 

[Peter King]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

But is it a choice? I don't think people would choose to be something that society deems is shameful. So maybe promiscuity is more like drug addiction than previously thought?

I don't see much difference between promiscuity and sex addiction. Both have negative consequences, which are ignored in favor of short term gratification.

No, it is what some people think as shameful, but that is not something anybody should care about.

And if you do not see much difference between promiscuity and sex addiction you clearly have never looked up the definition of sex addiction. So for you who does not know the definition here it is:

sex addiction” is described as a compulsive need to perform sexual acts in order to achieve the kind of “fix” that a person with alcohol use disorder gets from a drink or someone with opiate use disorder gets from using opiates.

Promiscuous behavior is:

Promiscuity is the practice of having sex frequently with different partners or being indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners.

If you cannot see the difference with someone who has a compulsive need to have sex so badly that it would destroy their marriage and someone who has frequent sex with different partners than so be it. Also, most promiscuous people when they find "the right one" or fall in love, will end their promiscuous ways, a sex addict would not be able to do that as their need for SEX is manic and compulsive.

But I am confused as to what being a promiscuous person has to do with abortion? Because the word slut here is purely directed at women.

 

[Praxas]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Because it leads to the degradation of civilized society...

The same thing could be said about greed.

 

[minnie616]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that most women who get abortions are unwed and pregnant. Feminists demanded that marriage not be a requirement for motherhood, and by golly, you geniuses got your wish.

Blue states have fewer single moms.
Blue states have fewer divorces.
Blues states have more stable two parent homes.

Actually the pro life movement may responsible for the increase of single mothers.

It is very telling that the highest numbers of single mothers live in the red states.


From the following :

Did the Pro-Life Movement Lead to More Single Moms?

As the co-authors of Red Families v. Blue Families, we often give talks about the recent rise in what’s called the “nonmarital birthrate,” or the idea that more than 40 percent of children are now born to women who aren’t married.


Sometimes at our talks someone will come up to us, confess his or her encounter with single parenthood, and say something like:
“When my daughter got pregnant and decided to keep the child, we were OK with that because we are Christians. When she decided not to marry the father, we were relieved because we knew he would be bad for her and the marriage would never work.”[/B]

They express these two beliefs—that they are Christian and thus uncomfortable with abortion and that they are relieved their daughter decided to raise the child alone—as if they are not connected.

But in fact this may be one of the stranger, more unexpected legacies of the pro-life movement that arose in the 40 years since Roe v. Wade: In conservative communities, the hardening of anti-abortion attitudes may have increased the acceptance of single-parent families.

And by contrast, in less conservative communities, the willingness to accept abortion has helped create more stable families.

Did the pro-life movement lead to more single moms?

 

[Chagos]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Because it leads to the degradation of civilized society...

Yeah, I'd sure posit that being overly concerned with the sexual activities of other people certainly holds that potential.

As history has shown, it can lead to wooden stakes and tinderwood.

 

[Chagos]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

~......................I don't think people would choose to be something that society deems is shameful. ......................~

Why not?

Stormfronters and other racist bigots don't seem much bothered by society considering their despicable conduct to be shameful, they carry on with it anyway.

 

[Chagos]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Blue states have fewer single moms.
Blue states have fewer divorces.
Blues states have more stable two parent homes.

Actually the pro life movement may responsible for the increase of single mothers.

It is very telling that the highest numbers of single mothers live in the red states.


From the following :


Did the pro-life movement lead to more single moms?

Now, don't you go bothering people with facts when they already have an opinion.

Tsk, tsk.

:lol:

 

[Peter King]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Now, don't you go bothering people with facts when they already have an opinion.

Tsk, tsk.

:lol:

they could be given some informed knowledge rather than their usual diet of :bs

 

[Peter King]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Because it leads to the degradation of civilized society...

Why and who decides what is civilized society?

 

[yankintx]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

I personally hate the word "slut" with a passion but I'm using it here given everyone will know what I'm talking about.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut

A recurring theme for people on the right who criticize women's sexual behaviors is that they are "slut shaming". Now according to everything I've read a "slut" or "slutty behavior" involves sexual promiscuity. Though it is almost always used to refer to women it can (and has) been used regarding men as well.


My point is this:


Shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something we should treat as "shameful"? What possible redeeming and positive attribute does it have? No matter your views on abortion, or premarital or extramarital sexual morality shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something that everyone on every side of the belief spectrum rightfully condemns?


What could possibly be wrong about shaming people who engage in such behavior?​

What is the purpose of this thread? Is is to head off another Stormy D. scandel. Hopefully Rump wraps his mushroom this time, being a germaphobe and all.

 

[Chagos]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

~.............. The idea of a slutty woman who is ready to go at all times is arousing to men. ...............~

We have, of course, no way of knowing here whether this deduction arises from your personal experience or is simply a regurgitation of somebody else's opinionated blather.

But if "we" should ever require a "men's spokesperson", I wouldn't wait for the call if I were you. :lol:

 

[ataraxia]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

What is the term used to refer to a male equivalent of a “slut”?

I can’t think of any words with negative connotation. The only word I can think of is a “stud”- a very complimentary word.

So maybe part of the problem is the hypocrisy of the men who use that word.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Blue states have fewer single moms.
Blue states have fewer divorces.
Blues states have more stable two parent homes.

Actually the pro life movement may responsible for the increase of single mothers.

It is very telling that the highest numbers of single mothers live in the red states.


From the following :


Did the pro-life movement lead to more single moms?

Which is 100% irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Lursa]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Your straw man argument is indeed ridiculous. That's why you felt the need to make it in the first place.

I said people who engage in 'slutty behavior' are sex addicts, which would entail having lots of sex partners in short periods, random hook ups, and the inability to control their behavior. Sex addiction looks a lot like drug addiction; addicts are controlled by their urges, and go through depression if denied their stimulus.

So...what is wrong with the bold?

As for the inability to control their behavior...who said? Being promiscuous is a choice, it's not addiction.

Any addiction is generally not good but that doesnt mean enjoying lots of something. There's a difference. Nowhere have I seen 'slut' defined as addiction.

If you want to discuss the destructiveness of addictive behavior, that's entirely different than people enjoying lots of consensual sex. And it's not the topic of the OP. That topic is criticizing women for enjoying lots of sex. What's wrong with that?

 

[Lursa]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Well who consumes pornography? Men mostly. The idea of a slutty woman who is ready to go at all times is arousing to men. That doesn't make it healthy though.

So? If you consider that a weakness in men, so be it. What's the point in being available for enjoying consensual sex if there's no men to enjoy it with? If you are responsible, what's unhealthy about it?

 

[roguenuke]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Sex outside of the marital bonds only causes STDs and broken homes and generations of future criminals

I've found it provides training and experience for future, more long term relationships. Didnt experience broken home or STDs, nor did my husband and we both had sex outside of marriage prior to getting married or even meeting each other. Both of is learned from those experiences, those relationships.

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[minnie616]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Which is 100% irrelevant to the discussion.

It is not at all irrelevant to the post I responded to which was in case you forgot:

That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that most women who get abortions are unwed and pregnant. Feminists demanded that marriage not be a requirement for motherhood, and by golly, you geniuses got your wish.

The article I posted part of disagrees and states that the pro life movement may be the reason for the acceptance of single moms.

But in fact this may be one of the stranger, more unexpected legacies of the pro-life movement that arose in the 40 years since Roe v. Wade: In conservative communities, the hardening of anti-abortion attitudes may have increased the acceptance of single-parent families.

And by contrast, in less conservative communities,the willingness to accept abortion has helped create more stable families.

Did the pro-life movement lead to more single moms?

 

[roguenuke]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

How do you determine who should be shamed as a "slut"? When do you shame such people?

And probably most importantly, how do you think your shaming will benefit that person or anyone else? Do you think shaming them will change their behavior? If so, are you also one of those who thinks doggy shaming (posting on social media a picture of a dog with a sign about what they did wrong) is effective?

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[EMNofSeattle]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

I've found it provides training and experience for future, more long term relationships. Didnt experience broken home or STDs, nor did my husband and we both had sex outside of marriage prior to getting married or even meeting each other. Both of is learned from those experiences, those relationships.

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Ok do cigarettes cause cancer then? By your logic cigarettes have no health consequences because the majority of smokers will die of old age never getting cancer

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

It is not at all irrelevant to the post I responded to which was in case you forgot:



The article I posted part of disagrees and states that the pro life movement may be the reason for the acceptance of single moms.



Did the pro-life movement lead to more single moms?

It’s irrelevant to the discussion.

And all you’re proving anyway is that in conservative communities women who make mistakes are more likely to do the right thing which is not kill their baby for an easy way out and their families act like families do.

 

[minnie616]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

It’s irrelevant to the discussion.

And all you’re proving anyway is that in conservative communities women who make mistakes are more likely to do the right thing which is not kill their baby for an easy way out and their families act like families do.

That is your opinion and I do not agree.

Delaying having a baby until marriage, being to afford a family and then having children is much more responsible.

Marriage is usually delayed in today's world unlike in the not so distant past.

Many young people are Going to college or focusing on careers before even thinking about children or marriage.

Since the sex drive is very strong in the teens and twenty's and abstinence is unrealistic , and most birth control is not goof proof unwanted pregnancies might happen which means the girl/ woman has one of two choices; have an abortion or have a baby.

Most single moms stay single moms and many end up on welfare.
Those who have abortions and delay motherhood may very well get married later and start families.

We have to be realistic and know that is what happens.

If we want the future generations to have two parent families we have to understand that sometimes some of those girls/ women just might have an early abortion before they marry and raise a family.

As I have mentioned earlier, I feel that with the new virtually goof proof long term birth control , there will be fewer and fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

To me long term birth control is the hope for more stable two parent families in the future.

 

[Dayton3]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Can you explain what is wrong with 2 consenting adults enjoying responsible sex together?

Why isnt the intimacy, the bonding, the pleasure reason enough to support it?

promiscuity is not "responsible sex".

 

[Dayton3]

Re: What Is Wrong with "slut shaming"?

Men love promiscuous women, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

I would never have even considered dating a woman if I knew they were not a virgin.