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[W:481]My Proposal to Change the Electoral College

Terryj said:
Rich, how long does a species have to live in an area to be indigenous?
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I don't think there has ever been a limit specified

For instance we can say that horses and ponies are not indigenous to the Americas despite them being here for over 500 years


Rich, my ancestors on my mothers side have lived in the Pacific Northwest for about 9,000 years, I think I would refer to them as indigenous.
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It depends on the context of the conversation, if discussing the Western expansion of white settlers in the 18th and 19th centuries then yes you would
If discussing the expansion of Homo-Erectus around the globe about 1.8 million years ago, then no you wouldn't.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yet they do happen and yes I can demonstrate it with legal cases when people have sued their employers.
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I already said it was illegal. When it happens, go to court.
 
there was no link in your reply to me. I accept your concession again.
 
Why is a pig farmer in Iowa more valuable or important then a systems programmer in San Jose?
 
rahl said:
I already said it was illegal. When it happens, go to court.
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Maybe, but what you did say is that there is no gap. Got a source for that claim?
 
mrjurrs said:
Maybe, but what you did say is that there is no gap. Got a source for that claim?
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yes, the law. There is no wage gap. Only an earnings gap, which is based on career choice, not gender/race.
 
Rich2018 said:
What is the difference between a wage gap and an earnings gap ?
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Wages for the same job are the same across race and gender. But certain careers have higher earnings than others. That is where the disparity comes in.
 
rahl said:
right, as I said, paying different wages based on gender/race is illegal.
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Of course it is. Paying different wages based on age, religion, sexual orientation, family circumstances is also illegal. Yet it happens.
 
Rich2018 said:
Of course it is. Paying different wages based on age, religion, sexual orientation, family circumstances is also illegal. Yet it happens.
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lots of things happen that shouldn't. People commit all sorts of crimes. Doesn't mean theres some systemic racist/sexist conspiracy. If you are getting paid less than someone else based on your race or gender, then sue.
 
rahl said:
lots of things happen that shouldn't. People commit all sorts of crimes. Doesn't mean theres some systemic racist/sexist conspiracy. If you are getting paid less than someone else based on your race or gender, then sue.
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No-one says there is an illegal conspiracy, just a de facto illegal wage gap.
 
rahl said:
some companies break the law. That's not a defacto wage gap.
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That ***IS*** a de facto gap

De Facto means what exists in reality, and in reality many people are paid unequal amounts for the same work...hence the damn lawsuits.
 
Rich2018 said:
That ***IS*** a de facto gap

De Facto means what exists in reality, and in reality many people are paid unequal amounts for the same work...hence the damn lawsuits.
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no, that isn't a defacto gap. It's an illegal gap, and is in the extreme minority of companies that do so.
 
rahl said:
no, that isn't a defacto gap. It's an illegal gap, and is in the extreme minority of companies that do so.
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Legality isn't the issue, we ***KNOW*** such a gaps is illegal

De Facto means what actually exists in reality - and sadly there is a wage gape out there and yes it is unlawful.
 
Rich2018 said:
Legality isn't the issue, we ***KNOW*** such a gaps is illegal

De Facto means what actually exists in reality - and sadly there is a wage gape out there and yes it is unlawful.
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There really isn’t a wage gap though. There is an earnings gap. Any wage gap that does exist does so illegally, and is remedied in the courts. It’s not a systemic problem at all.
 
rahl said:
There really isn’t a wage gap though. There is an earnings gap. Any wage gap that does exist does so illegally, and is remedied in the courts. It’s not a systemic problem at all.
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Then why the law suits ?


Are you saying that these cases where companies illegally pay different rates for the same work are isolated instances ?
 
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