[W:4]IDF levels Hamas stronghold

[Valaisee]

What " false presentations" would there be? There have been so many from your own side i.m losing count but from me ? nah

Seeing as you are so concerned with making up stuff so as to carry on with your pathetic accusatory postings we can go through it with the baby steps you evidently need to use in a bid to understand what people are writing about.

All of the Zionists that immigrated to Ottoman/British Palestine with a view to creating a Jewish state there tick the box for being referred to as settler colonialist. You don't get to change definitions even if you think you can. It's actually just more of the same junk found in your postings here.

Those settler colonialists then managed to create a state by manipulating the indigenous people out of the territory through warfare and diplomacy, ongoing. This is 1948-49 onwards.

Then they initiated a war of aggression in 1967 and sent another few hundred thousand locals packing and sent in more settler colonialists, this time belonging to their own state, in a bid to acquire more territory to the state they had previously created.

It's not difficult to understand if you have the calmness to read peoples posts without an ongoing anger in you. That you are finding it difficult tells a tale all of its own

I don't understand you views, one cannot colonize it's own land.
Don't the Jewish nation have the right to self-determination? Can't they have their own country?
Where? Isn't Israel the homeland of the Jewish nation?
Should have the Jews continue to suffer from persecution and genocide?

 

[oneworld2]

I don't understand you views, one cannot colonize it's own land.
Don't the Jewish nation have the right to self-determination? Can't they have their own country?
Where? Isn't Israel the homeland of the Jewish nation?
Should have the Jews continue to suffer from persecution and genocide?

What don't you understand about millenia passing and the dubious use of God as the claims which underpin the Jewish claim to that particular patch of the planet ?

The Zionist Jews that came from Europe to make Palestine their own nation state have, imo, way less of a claim to the land that those that had lived there for centuries, possibly millenia, themselve.These were Europeans who already lived in countries all over Europe and had played their part, just like the Arabs had, in building and utilizing the resources of their homeland. They came and they set up colonies with the intention of displacing the locals, that's classic settler colonialism btw.

Sure the Jewish people have a claim to the right to self determination in a state of their own but ,imo, they didn't have and don't have the right to evict others so as to achieve it. Recall parts of Russia and Uganda were considered as options for a Jewish state in the early years. If the aim is to create a safe haven so people can move there and gain mutual self protection as a result, then that could be achieved anywhere and preferably somewhere were the locals don't have to be forced out to accommodate it, imo.

But we are now left with a situation whereby the state of Israel exists where it exists and we can only deal with that reality. The Jewish people have their state and it should follow that the Palestinian people should have theirs but that isn't the case.

To use the vile/racist treatment of the Jews throughout history as a shield to protect some Jewish people from doing the same/similar to another group is actually an abuse of the sufferings of the very Jewish people who suffered in those persecutions imho

 

[Valaisee]

What don't you understand about millenia passing and the dubious use of God as the claims which underpin the Jewish claim to that particular patch of the planet ?

The Zionist Jews that came from Europe to make Palestine their own nation state have, imo, way less of a claim to the land that those that had lived there for centuries, possibly millenia, themselve.These were Europeans who already lived in countries all over Europe and had played their part, just like the Arabs had, in building and utilizing the resources of their homeland. They came and they set up colonies with the intention of displacing the locals, that's classic settler colonialism btw.

Sure the Jewish people have a claim to the right to self determination in a state of their own but ,imo, they didn't have and don't have the right to evict others so as to achieve it. Recall parts of Russia and Uganda were considered as options for a Jewish state in the early years. If the aim is to create a safe haven so people can move there and gain mutual self protection as a result, then that could be achieved anywhere and preferably somewhere were the locals don't have to be forced out to accommodate it, imo.

But we are now left with a situation whereby the state of Israel exists where it exists and we can only deal with that reality. The Jewish people have their state and it should follow that the Palestinian people should have theirs but that isn't the case.

To use the vile/racist treatment of the Jews throughout history as a shield to protect some Jewish people from doing the same/similar to another group is actually an abuse of the sufferings of the very Jewish people who suffered in those persecutions imho

No need to rely on god when in reality Jews controlled Israel as their homeland for centuries thru history - this is the basis for the Jewish claim. So what if it was 2 millennials ago? A homeland is eternal, there is no expiration date for human rights.

There was no need to displace or evict anybody in order to establish a Jewish state in Israel, for example, that would have been the case if the UN partition plan would have been implemented. I agree that Palestinians should have their own state if they want to, as long as Jewish rights to the land are not ignored.

The last sentence is a strawman argument. Who claims that what the Jews do to the Palestinians is even close to what the Jews have suffered? Who is justifying any crime Jews did based on their treatment throughout history?

 

[Chagos]

No need to rely on god when in reality Jews controlled Israel as their homeland for centuries thru history - this is the basis for the Jewish claim. So what if it was 2 millennials ago? A homeland is eternal, there is no expiration date for human rights.

There was no need to displace or evict anybody in order to establish a Jewish state in Israel, for example, that would have been the case if the UN partition plan would have been implemented. I agree that Palestinians should have their own state if they want to, as long as Jewish rights to the land are not ignored.

The last sentence is a strawman argument. Who claims that what the Jews do to the Palestinians is even close to what the Jews have suffered? Who is justifying any crime Jews did based on their treatment throughout history?

It is the same old, same old claim that thinly veiled anti-semites (as in claiming their criticism applies only to the state of Israel) are habitually using.

Without even being able to supply any evidence that the conflict in Palestine even remotely resembles the centuries of persecution and murder that Jews faced thruout Europe and elsewhere, but nevertheless attempting to equate Zionism with the abominations of Nazism as the poster repeatedly does.

The inconvenience of not being able to supply evidence of concentration camps being established, countered by the asinine claim that Gaza has been made exactly that.

While the apparent lack of gas chambers is compensated by equating the so associated extermination activities with IDF bombing of Hamas rocket sites and other Hamas logistics.

Scratch a fervent reader of the Palliwood narrative and we get what we see here.