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[W#271][W:914] Charlie Kirk Reportedly Shot in Utah: Live Updates

Once charged, he will get the same right to a trial that others have had before him, and will continue to have after him.
That goes to my point about a possible tainted jury pool.
 
1.I and many others know what he stood for. Speak for yourself or your Maga followers and their ignorance. Charlie Kirk's positions were posted over and over again on the internet as were his videos.

2.Your second comment is fair of course.

3. What you won't acknowledge and I get it, is that the inherent content of many of the things he said deliberately provoked his opponents not to engage in respectful dialogue but to ridicule or embarrass them. Many of his debates and speeches ridiculed, belittled those that disagreed with him and called for extremist all or nothing positions, Yes indeed his style did invite debate and in that sense, proper debate is constructive and in many debts I witnessed he was civil and respectful. However in other debates he in fact renfoced the bigotry or rigid extremism of his opponents in certain choices of words and responses.

Charlie Kirk was no saint. He did not engage in holier then thou Jesus sermons. He posed himself as a righteous Christian gospel prophet giving sermons. He was no Jesus. His words appealed to angry threatened while males fearing the world. He made hateful smeers against all people who were hired by affirmative action programs. gays, transexuals, women. He did. You can't erase some of the passages and references he made which stated sweeping negative generalizations with no proof.

On the other hand he did also engage in some great comebacks to extremist left wingers who suffered from the same rigid generalizations as their right wing counter parts.

What Kirk failed to do is preach genuine tolerance. Claiming to preach tolerance but in the next breath saying all gays will go hell but then in the next breath say you do not hate them does not set the stage for tolerance it set the stage for passive aggressive ridicule.

Charlie Kirk was no angel. He was a mouthpiece that tried to sugar coat the most vile hateful aspects of the Trump agenda. He also made millions personally doing this. He deliberately use inflammatory comments to increase his audience and revenue stream.
 
If you don't mind making the arguments (because @trixare4kids certainly won't attempt to) can you explain to me why I'm supposed to give a shit that Charlie wished some trans person wasnt trans. Wishing that people who exist didn't exist isn't my idea of empathy...

Is it yours?
 
Thought you (we) were looking for motive? DNA is evidence of the deed.
Yes, you are correct. DNA does offer proof of the deed, not necessarily motive. I actually was referring to the actual crime itself.
 
What has been said that you believe tainted a jury pool? Can you be specific as to whom said what?
Its a matter of whether a judge believes in a tainted jury pool during voir dire, not me.
 
Yes….that would be correct.
Right, so it doesn't make sense for law enforcement or the governor to give the speculation they have given, like whether the roommate was a lover or not, at this time. That's going to end up hurting the trial.
 
Thanks.
Though dna evidence is not infallible.
Nothing in life is. But without a doubt DNA is used in court, and has and will continue to along with other evidence led to convictions. As well as just the opposite.
 
Right, so it doesn't make sense for law enforcement or the governor to give the speculation they have given, like whether the roommate was a lover or not, at this time. That's going to end up hurting the trial.
What speculation did they give? Please be specific? They have evidence the roommate was his lover. From various sources.
 
What speculation did they give? Please be specific? They have evidence the roommate was his lover. From various sources.
I literally just gave an example in the comment you quoted. Go off automated mode and actually read and think.
 
I literally just gave an example in the comment you quoted. Go off automated mode and actually read and think.
And I responded. There is evidence that Lance was his lover. It wasn’t “speculation”.
 
And I responded. There is evidence that Lance was his lover. It wasn’t “speculation”.
The "evidence" comes from the governor's comments, that's my point. I've read about 10 articles and they all point back to Gov Cox.
 
That would depend on someone reporting you.

You think these site admins and moderators need an invitation to police this website? I think by now—through more than 6,700 posts—just about every one of them, including God himself, @Schweddy, has read and commented on this thread. But if my comment’s really bothering you and you think it’s a violation of forum rules, what’s holding you back? Why don’t you report it instead of repeatedly asking me your loaded question of when did I decide to become a bigot?


Yes, it is defined, but your interpretation of that definition is lacking. And that really is the problem with so-called “hate speech”: to a leftist, anything that reinforces a narrative they find intolerable is hate speech.

Why would you be asking a question Ive asked you to answer in 2 separate threads? I told you, I thought you were a markets guy, I had never seen the crazy racist posts before. Had I been missing them in the past?

I already explained why: the answer to your leading question depends on who is asking it. When did I become a bigot? Never, because I’m not.
 

You make an extremely salient point, in Kirk's refusal to preach tolerance - the most Christian of Virtues.

I wasn't familiar with him, at all. Barely heard of his name. But after now seeing him in action, I'm not impressed. I simply don't buy what he's selling, nor his selling it in the name of Christian principles.

In a way he's very Trumpian, catapulting himself to fame and fortune off of selling theologically infused partisan ideology.
 
The "evidence" comes from the governor's comments, that's my point. I've read about 10 articles and they all point back to Gov Cox.
And the FBI. And family members. And I believe there is the possibility from Lance himself. We should find out more tomorrow.
 
And the FBI. And family members. And I believe there is the possibility from Lance himself. We should find out more tomorrow.
The FBI is also part of my point, they are also putting info out there that can potentially pollute a jury pool. Any salacious materials or character assassination can. These people are not doing their jobs well at all.
 
Several? As in exceedingly rare.
The fact is the best available evidence is that defensive gun use happens far more than criminal use.


Also, almost no gun free zone has truly been gun free. There have been armed people in almost all of those places, and in some where they were allowed, they still did not have many who chose to be armed.
Well of course. Because those owning and carrying a firearm is a choice , unless you are barred from an area.
And the people that will obey such a restriction are generally those you don’t have to worry about anyway.
 
It really isn't. With a scope, or even without a scope, most of your error will be up and down, not left or right, and humans being humans are a good target up and down. 200 yards is not a difficult shot.
Since they found the actual shooter's position, that estimate has been reduced to 135 yards, but I also heard another report say 170, but it's under 200.

I am probably more dangerous than I am skilled with a rifle unfortunately, although I'm learning. And even I, a neophyte when I go to the long-range range, could poke a hole in a target from 200 with my scope dialed in, and having the gun on something that supports it other than my paw.
 
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