• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

[W:268] [W:288]More Senseless Gun Violence

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist
well one thing hasn't changed in over 100 years-wanting to disarm blacks
Actually, we aim to disarm crazy white guys, you know, the ones who think they are ****ing Rambo.
 

Chase Morgan

Active member
Joined
Jun 12, 2021
Messages
262
Reaction score
182
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
Actually, we aim to disarm crazy white guys, you know, the ones who think they are ****ing Rambo.


Perhaps the most dangerous terrorists...




Murr-ca................................................
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
265,138
Reaction score
82,631
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Perhaps the most dangerous terrorists...




Murr-ca................................................
does constantly repeating that stupid "Murr-ca"somehow make up for a lack of a valid argument. the shooter at Vegas was a federal employee with a net worth of around 10million dollars: Paddock had a valid pilot's license and TWO planes

rather than merely posting nonsense, why don't you educate us on what laws would have prevented him from carrying out his massacre given he had planned it for over a year
 

Willie Orwontee

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 6, 2007
Messages
729
Reaction score
667
Location
Upper Bucks County, Pennsylvania
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
That is racism pure and simple. You only consider black and white and not the social situation.

No racism, just crime statistics / facts that you do not want to address.

Murder is murder and it is especially absurd to argue that there is a "social situation" that either compels or excuses (I'm not sure which angle you are coming from) that says, "I'm Black so I'm allowed to kill Black people because of 400 years of oppression of Black people".

Here, let's widen the sample to males aged 15 to 29 . . .

We will work from three screen grabs for 2019, again from the CDC (click on thumbnails).

First, the nation as a whole showing the total gun murders and total population:

2019_AllBothAll.jpg

Now gun murders for Black Males aged 15 -29 and White Males aged 15 - 29:

2019_BM_15to29.jpg

2019_WM_15to29.jpg

Let's pull those numbers apart . . .

Black Males aged 15 -29 are 1.68% of the total US population but experience 29.37% of the nation's gun murders.
White Males aged 15 - 29 are 5.65% of the total US population and experience 4.93% of the nation's gun murders.

To really put this incredible disparity of "senseless gun violence" into perspective, consider this unavoidable truth -- if Black males aged 15-29 were murdered at the same rate as non-Hispanic White males aged 15-29, there would have been 212 instead of 4,234 young Black men being murdered in 2019, a 95% reduction. (55.41074 X 3.83 = 212.223)

So what societal remedy would you suggest, if I was really a racist, I might suggest we could just tell young Black men to act more White.
 

craig

Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 18, 2020
Messages
4,528
Reaction score
1,140
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Moderate
No racism, just crime statistics / facts that you do not want to address.

Murder is murder and it is especially absurd to argue that there is a "social situation" that either compels or excuses (I'm not sure which angle you are coming from) that says, "I'm Black so I'm allowed to kill Black people because of 400 years of oppression of Black people".

Here, let's widen the sample to males aged 15 to 29 . . .

We will work from three screen grabs for 2019, again from the CDC (click on thumbnails).

First, the nation as a whole showing the total gun murders and total population:

View attachment 67355158

Now gun murders for Black Males aged 15 -29 and White Males aged 15 - 29:

View attachment 67355159

View attachment 67355160

Let's pull those numbers apart . . .

Black Males aged 15 -29 are 1.68% of the total US population but experience 29.37% of the nation's gun murders.
White Males aged 15 - 29 are 5.65% of the total US population and experience 4.93% of the nation's gun murders.

To really put this incredible disparity of "senseless gun violence" into perspective, consider this unavoidable truth -- if Black males aged 15-29 were murdered at the same rate as non-Hispanic White males aged 15-29, there would have been 212 instead of 4,234 young Black men being murdered in 2019, a 95% reduction. (55.41074 X 3.83 = 212.223)

So what societal remedy would you suggest, if I was really a racist, I might suggest we could just tell young Black men to act more White.
Why did you separate the
No racism, just crime statistics / facts that you do not want to address.

Murder is murder and it is especially absurd to argue that there is a "social situation" that either compels or excuses (I'm not sure which angle you are coming from) that says, "I'm Black so I'm allowed to kill Black people because of 400 years of oppression of Black people".

Here, let's widen the sample to males aged 15 to 29 . . .

We will work from three screen grabs for 2019, again from the CDC (click on thumbnails).

First, the nation as a whole showing the total gun murders and total population:

View attachment 67355158

Now gun murders for Black Males aged 15 -29 and White Males aged 15 - 29:

View attachment 67355159

View attachment 67355160

Let's pull those numbers apart . . .

Black Males aged 15 -29 are 1.68% of the total US population but experience 29.37% of the nation's gun murders.
White Males aged 15 - 29 are 5.65% of the total US population and experience 4.93% of the nation's gun murders.

To really put this incredible disparity of "senseless gun violence" into perspective, consider this unavoidable truth -- if Black males aged 15-29 were murdered at the same rate as non-Hispanic White males aged 15-29, there would have been 212 instead of 4,234 young Black men being murdered in 2019, a 95% reduction. (55.41074 X 3.83 = 212.223)

So what societal remedy would you suggest, if I was really a racist, I might suggest we could just tell young Black men to act more White.
If you adjust for class the differences disappear.
 

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist
I guess that for every one hundred worthless gun nuts, we have us one legitimate hero.
 

SkyFox76

DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 17, 2018
Messages
9,895
Reaction score
5,895
Location
Down the street
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
13 people Shot at Kroger today<---unbelievable statement, if this was a more sane world not run by gun nuts.


I remember when shootings like this use to be breaking news. Had I not happened to go to YT for something I wouldn't have even know it happened. Sad.
 

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist
I remember when shootings like this use to be breaking news. Had I not happened to go to YT for something I wouldn't have even know it happened. Sad.
The morons on the Right are getting their utopian dream. Daily mass shootings, daily mass deaths from COVID, people without insurance being turned away for treatment for cancer and heart disease while those with the insurance dish out tens of thousands for "approved" treatments that do not even work very well, hungry children, homelessness on the rise....

That the assholes keep voting for these things proves that they are assholes, IMO.
 

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist
Alternate title: More Senseless Posts that Use Senseless Gun Violence as a Springboard to the Shallow End of a Pool of Partisan Dribble
Does that ^ mean you will obsess about Kawasaki motorcycles again?
 

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist

RF667799

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
5,649
Reaction score
2,283
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
"Out themselves"?

As what? As people who follow a time honored bit of internet advice relating to providing sustenance?
 

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist
"Out themselves"?

As what? As people who follow a time honored bit of internet advice relating to providing sustenance?
This thread is about senseless gun violence. Talk about it. Can you?
 

RF667799

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
5,649
Reaction score
2,283
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
What substance can be brought to a discussion of the senseless? Your own efforts have been exactly as I described them. Not focused on the "senseless gun violence" at all. Rather, using that as a springboard to senseless partisan attack and baiting.

Outing yourself, as a matter of fact.
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
265,138
Reaction score
82,631
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
"Out themselves"?

As what? As people who follow a time honored bit of internet advice relating to providing sustenance?
the goal is trying to smear the millions of law abiding gun owners with the crimes of a small number of assholes-hoping that stupid people will assume most gun owners are similar to the assholes.
 

RF667799

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
5,649
Reaction score
2,283
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
the goal is trying to smear the millions of law abiding gun owners with the crimes of a small number of assholes-hoping that stupid people will assume most gun owners are similar to the assholes.
I don't think he's even put that much thought into it.
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
265,138
Reaction score
82,631
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Pointing out gun violence is what I do. Those who ignore the carnage out themselves.
we agree totally. its a case of throwing shit at the wall at hoping if he throws enough, some will stick.
 

calamity

Privileged
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Feb 12, 2013
Messages
158,198
Reaction score
56,213
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Centrist
the goal is trying to smear the millions of law abiding gun owners with the crimes of a small number of assholes-hoping that stupid people will assume most gun owners are similar to the assholes.
You mean the irresponsible gun owners who pull their guns on innocent people three times in less than ten years and even ends up shooting one, needing major legal beagling to convince two judges, a DA and grand jury to save their budding law career.

Those law abiding gun owners?
 

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
265,138
Reaction score
82,631
Location
Ohio
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
You mean the irresponsible gun owners who pull their guns on innocent people three times in less than ten years and even ends up shooting one, needing major legal beagling to convince two judges, a DA and grand jury to save their budding law career.

Those law abiding gun owners?
when Calamity's silly arguments get thrashed, he tries to claim what he thinks I did was "irresponsible" even though he has no credibility in this area and cannot find a single person who backs him up on this. He makes slanderous claims about me because his bullshit arguments are just that-complete and utter bullshit
 
Top Bottom