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[W:2475] Ariz. State Senate Hears Preliminary Audit Report

We are talking about two different things and you are incapable of understanding the difference.

Either way, though, you are wrong.

Trump's total increase in current dollars (not adjusted for inflation) was less than Obama's.

Trump's increase as a percent of the debt when he took office was less than Obama's

Total dollars increased under either:

Trump: +$7.732 Trillion.
Obama: +$9.549 Trillion

Percent increase vs existing debt when entering office:

Trump: +37%
Obama: +95%

This is a highly misleading claim.

Obama inherited a collapsing economy. Trump inherited a strong recovery.

There was no need for Trump to accelerate the borrow and spend the way he did, (other than to take care of Wall Street, which was why Steve Mnuchin was there).
 
We are talking about two different things and you are incapable of understanding the difference.

Either way, though, you are wrong.

Trump's total increase in current dollars (not adjusted for inflation) was less than Obama's.

Trump's increase as a percent of the debt when he took office was less than Obama's

Total dollars increased under either:

Trump: +$7.732 Trillion.
Obama: +$9.549 Trillion

Percent increase vs existing debt when entering office:

Trump: +37%
Obama: +95%
I have refuted this already.
 
Revenues to the Feds increased year over year AFTER the tax bill took effect.

Once again, you are simply wrong.

Do you EVER use facts to form your opinions?
Revenues for the Fed, have been increasing for almost every year before the tax cut back over 20 years except for 2009 when the recession bottomed out
so the tax cut didn't do anything
so just what was your point?
Have a nice day
 
Because the Fraudit is being conducted by a non-government, ultra right wing company whose CEO has openly called the 2020 election rigged and even appeared in a movie stating so. How can you possibly accept results from a non-government company? Imagine how you would react if George Soros was conducting an audit of an election? You would never say "what are you afraid of"!
It's why anyone saying that this is about election integrity and accepting this company as the one to conduct an audit is knee slapping hysterical. Never mind the fact they've never performed this kind of audit before and have no experience with elections. That doesn't sound like much of a CV to make it a viable candidate.

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I always do, and seldom have trouble backing my claims.

Like this refutation of you false insinuation that my claim is false.

You can clearly see the budget busting effects of TRump’s tax giveaway to Wall Street. Ironically, this was his one and only legislative victory.

still wondering if he was implying that the US Revenue only went up because of the tax cut
as You and I have both shown him that revenues went up almost every year before and after except in 2009 because of the recession and he doesn't want to reply
Have a nice day
 
No it doesn't, the chain of command will never assure complete voter integrity and if you don't have the passion for an issue or candidate, don't waste anyone else's time. Show up for early voting, official absentee ballots, or in person on election day, making voting easy should never be an issue, having enough initiative, drive, and desire should get people to the polls
Stop the bullshit! You can not point to any mail-in voter fraud at all that in anyway impacted the 2020 election, nothing! The trade-off to have an extra 10%-20% voter participation far outweighs any possible fraud, period. What you're not admitting to us or maybe even to yourself is that the higher the participation the worse it is for Republicans which is why the GOP is blatantly passing voter suppression bills because if they don't they're toast.
 
No, Trump put America First, did you send your tax cut back? You refuse to answer the question as to what exactly did Trump do to generate this hatred and hatred enough to get 20-30 million people to vote against him giving us Biden. You going to explain to us why people are fleeing blue states to red states but then trying to change red states into blue? IMO people in California moving to Arizona have corrupted the state and gave the less than 11,000 vote to Biden. There was no justification for any Republican, Conservative, Independent to vote for Biden with Harris on the ticket

Yes, People moving from California to Arizona is one the reasons why Biden/Harris legitimately won Arizona. People who are eligible to vote have the absolute right to vote for anybody on the ballot they want to.
 
We are talking about two different things and you are incapable of understanding the difference.

Either way, though, you are wrong.

Trump's total increase in current dollars (not adjusted for inflation) was less than Obama's.

Trump's increase as a percent of the debt when he took office was less than Obama's

Total dollars increased under either:

Trump: +$7.732 Trillion.
Obama: +$9.549 Trillion

Percent increase vs existing debt when entering office:

Trump: +37%
Obama: +95%
Did Trump have to deal with the Great Recession that was caused by GW Bush? Trump inherited a strong, growing economy that was setting records for most months in a row with job gains. Trump passed a ridiculous tax cut during a peak in the economy...no one does that because it adds debt and wasn't needed. He did it to boost his numbers - in effect creating a false increase in the economy. Trump was a disaster and it's shocking that he's able to grift so many Americans. The word I like to use to describe Trump supporters is "SUCKER."
 
You really do have nothing. And you know it too. A lot of you trump dead enders like you know it too.

The GOP leadership ignored trump’s pathetic threats this week, and gave Joe Biden exactly what he wanted.

His ranting didn’t deliver his candidate in the Republican primary in Arizona either.

The Cyber Ninjas fraudit has all but collapsed. They returned the ballots to the county yesterday.

It’s over. The Republic appears to be beginning to rise above the betrayal that trump and his mob brought on themselves and their country on Jan 6th.

As for your comments.

”Management 101”?????? Don’t make me laugh! Donald Trump was never a manager. He was a total failure in business. Indeed, Marco Rubio described him best, “If Donald Trump hadn’t been given his money, he would be selling watches in Manhattan”. trump went through his father’s money, had to be bailed out of the first casino collapse by his dad, and the second. After Fred died, trump quickly went through the rest of it, (trump doesn’t own a single brick of his father’s holdings anymore) concluding with a significant chunk of what is now Hudson Yards. His salvation lie in the people who bough condos in some of his buildings. Buildings that were often largely empty, even though the units changed hands regularly. The Brighton Beach gangsters laundered their money through the Trump Plaza, and kept it afloat just long enough for trump to get out from under it. After that, trump was in Moscow’s pocket. They bailed him out again when he defaulted on $800 million in construction loans on the casino hotel in Chicago. All the other properties existed in a shroud of unpaid bills and lawsuits. No bank in the United States would lend him one dime. Instead, Russian affiliated or controlled banks held all the paper. Including the Sabra Bank in Cyprus, which is controlled by Vladimir Putin through various oligarch proxies.

Since you don’t have anything real to say, you retreat to this “why do I care, why do you care”.

You got irritated when I pointed out your basically self serving comments and attitude. “I’ve got mine, screw you” has been a staple attitude of the talk radio right for years. It permeates trumpism. It places no value in duty, honor, honesty or integrity. It just wants to be entertained, by clowns who repeat their flat earth world view and a lot of bigotry back at them.

The clown show is over. The “silent majority”, turned out to be neither.
Such hatred, why? either answer the question or no more responses. None of what you posted impacted you, your family, or the country negatively to create such hatred. Have no idea what motivates people like you that you would vote against someone and give us Biden/Harris, Stunning!!

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Such hatred, why? either answer the question or no more responses. None of what you posted impacted you, your family, or the country negatively to create such hatred. Have no idea what motivates people like you that you would vote against someone and give us Biden/Harris, Stunning!!
Attacks on American democracy itself does not impact me, my family or the country? Stunning.
 
Yes, People moving from California to Arizona is one the reasons why Biden/Harris legitimately won Arizona. People who are eligible to vote have the absolute right to vote for anybody on the ballot they want to.
Got it and of course you are sure they didn't vote twice? Why can't I get anyone on the left to explain why people shouldn't vote early in person, qualify for an absentee ballot, or on election day? Tell us which is more susceptible to fraud, mail in ballots or in person voting
 
Attacks on American democracy itself does not impact me, my family or the country? Stunning.
What attack? Chain of custody violations of mail in ballots are a greater threat to our democracy than any President could ever be due to the checks and balances. Your comments come from a civics challenged, radical nanny state, big gov't liberal
 
Got it and of course you are sure they didn't vote twice? Why can't I get anyone on the left to explain why people shouldn't vote early in person, qualify for an absentee ballot, or on election day? Tell us which is more susceptible to fraud, mail in ballots or in person voting

Again, Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in voting since the early 1990s. The increase of mail-in ballots during the 2020 election is a big reason why there were less irregularities.
Only four people in Arizona here have been indicted with voter fraud from the 2020 election.

"Arizona's potential cases also illustrate another reality: Voter fraud is often bipartisan. Of the four Arizona cases that have resulted in criminal charges, two involved Democratic voters and two involved Republicans." Link
 
Got it and of course you are sure they didn't vote twice? Why can't I get anyone on the left to explain why people shouldn't vote early in person, qualify for an absentee ballot, or on election day? Tell us which is more susceptible to fraud, mail in ballots or in person voting
Why shouldn't people vote early and in person? They wanted to social distance in the age of covid. In-person ballots are no more susceptible to fraud than mail-in ballots and vis-a-versa.
 
Again, Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in voting since the early 1990s. The increase of mail-in ballots during the 2020 election is a big reason why there were less irregularities.
Only four people in Arizona here have been indicted with voter fraud from the 2020 election.

"Arizona's potential cases also illustrate another reality: Voter fraud is often bipartisan. Of the four Arizona cases that have resulted in criminal charges, two involved Democratic voters and two involved Republicans." Link
The important thing to remember is that the audit and all of this talk about "election integrity" is really just a cover for what's really going on: trying to prove the former president's ridiculous premise that the only way he could lose was through election fraud. In the past we haven't had large efforts to vote fraudulently, yet suddenly we're expected to believe there was some massive wave of fraud by people voting twice.
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The important thing to remember is that the audit and all of this talk about "election integrity" is really just a cover for what's really going on: trying to prove the former president's ridiculous premise that the only way he could lose was through election fraud. In the past we haven't had large efforts to vote fraudulently, yet suddenly we're expected to believe there was some massive wave of fraud by people voting twice.
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Alas, we have the contradiction. According to the right, Biden is a corrupt mastermind, that was able to rig the 2020 election without a trace and at the same time arm-twist every judge in the land not to side with Trump's attorneys. But at the same time, the right tells us that Biden is also a senile old man who can't tie his own shoes.
 
Stop the bullshit! You can not point to any mail-in voter fraud at all that in anyway impacted the 2020 election, nothing! The trade-off to have an extra 10%-20% voter participation far outweighs any possible fraud, period. What you're not admitting to us or maybe even to yourself is that the higher the participation the worse it is for Republicans which is why the GOP is blatantly passing voter suppression bills because if they don't they're toast.

That’s what the voter supression is about (that and the racism). They don’t want 10-20% more voting. They want fewer people voting.
 
Again, Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in voting since the early 1990s. The increase of mail-in ballots during the 2020 election is a big reason why there were less irregularities.
Only four people in Arizona here have been indicted with voter fraud from the 2020 election.

"Arizona's potential cases also illustrate another reality: Voter fraud is often bipartisan. Of the four Arizona cases that have resulted in criminal charges, two involved Democratic voters and two involved Republicans." Link
So less irregularities with more mail in ballots? you have to be kidding me, the percentage may drop but the numbers increased. Do you know what chain of custody means? Why can't I get a liberal to admit what we all know, mail in ballots are more susceptible to fraud than in person voting because of the number of people handling the ballots. Doesn't seem that hard to understand except for partisans. A full audit is required but nothing changes the reality there is no justification for no excuse mail in ballots regardless of when they started
 
Why shouldn't people vote early and in person? They wanted to social distance in the age of covid. In-person ballots are no more susceptible to fraud than mail-in ballots and vis-a-versa.
I voted early and in person, where did I say that was a problem, the in person issue is THE ISSUE. You want to live your life in fear do it some place else but not at the voting booths. How many people handle a mail in ballot vs an in person ballot? you cannot be this partisan that you cannot grasp that reality the more people handling the ballots the more susceptible they are to fraud.
 
I voted early and in person, where did I say that was a problem, the in person issue is THE ISSUE. You want to live your life in fear do it some place else but not at the voting booths. How many people handle a mail in ballot vs an in person ballot? you cannot be this partisan that you cannot grasp that reality the more people handling the ballots the more susceptible they are to fraud.
More susceptible to fraud does not mean that any sort of significant fraud occurred, that even the susceptibility increase is significant in any way. You need to show evidence that significant fraud did occur, not that it could occur.
 
Such hatred, why? either answer the question or no more responses. None of what you posted impacted you, your family, or the country negatively to create such hatred. Have no idea what motivates people like you that you would vote against someone and give us Biden/Harris, Stunning!!

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More susceptible to fraud does not mean that any sort of significant fraud occurred, that even the susceptibility increase is significant in any way. You need to show evidence that significant fraud did occur, not that it could occur.
More susceptible to fraud means exactly that and there is absolutely no justification for able body individuals who don't qualify for an absentee ballot NOT to go to the polls, the entitlement mentality that you seem to have doesn't extend to the polling locations IMO.
 
Actually I will take a different approach. Cyber Ninjas has a lot of explaining to do. Seems they have misrepresented information. It is possible that they do not have a clue of what they are really looking at.

The hearing was really more of a briefing. No participants were sworn in. No questions were allowed to be asked, Other than Fann and her side kick no one else was there from the Senate.
I'll go so far as to say nothing will ever happen about it. It's a witch hunt.
To imagine some Democrat vote counters conducted fraud in front of Republican vote counters and no one said anything is absurd. Millions of votes!! I don't think so.
 
More susceptible to fraud means exactly that and there is absolutely no justification for able body individuals who don't qualify for an absentee ballot NOT to go to the polls, the entitlement mentality that you seem to have doesn't extend to the polling locations IMO.
If it isn't significant, then it doesn't matter. Since you can't show any fraud actually occurring, you have nothing.
 
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