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[W: 206] [W:97]Good guy with a gun

re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Go ahead and get killed by the cops then...you won't be alone.


US cops kill hundreds of people a year - in 2014 they killed over 1100....as you draw your last breath you can (briefly) reflect on how you've done more than 99% of other Americans....and then die.

The rest of us can take cover and enjoy the holiday season this year.

Thanks.

And a happy holidays to you as well.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Where do you get your numbers from? For 2014 CDC only showed 515 legal intervention homicides.

Post #8762 on the Democracy V Republic thread in the US Constitution section:

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Numbers of People Killed by US Police:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.aabe3092bbfc

2018: 830 (so far)
2017: 987

In 2014 US police killed over 1100 (about 3 people per DAY):

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations


In 2014 (where US police killed 1100+ people):
Canadian police killed 14 people
British police killed 1 person (same as in 2013 Btw)
German police killed 0 people (same as in 2013)
Icelandic police killed 0 people (in fact they've only every killed 1 person ... EVER)
Chinese police killed 12 people (with a population 4.5 times larger than the USA)


Let that sink in. Law enforcement in the US killed 92 times more people than a country with nearly 1.4 billion people


"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."



Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

All rights are a choice not an obligation.

Got into this esp. on a thread about assisted suicide.

It came down to: the state has the obligation to not allow you to violate your own right to life :roll:
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Subjective.

Definitely. The specific topic is whether there is a legal duty to defend anyone, whether or not at your own risk. The answer is no. However, there MAY be an ethical duty to do so.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Got into this esp. on a thread about assisted suicide.

It came down to: the state has the obligation to not allow you to violate your own right to life :roll:


There are a lot of people who attempt suicide and fail...and greatly appreciate their failure.


Just something to consider.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Post #8762 on the Democracy V Republic thread in the US Constitution section:

.
.
.


Numbers of People Killed by US Police:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.aabe3092bbfc

2018: 830 (so far)
2017: 987

In 2014 US police killed over 1100 (about 3 people per DAY):

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations


In 2014 (where US police killed 1100+ people):
Canadian police killed 14 people
British police killed 1 person (same as in 2013 Btw)
German police killed 0 people (same as in 2013)
Icelandic police killed 0 people (in fact they've only every killed 1 person ... EVER)
Chinese police killed 12 people (with a population 4.5 times larger than the USA)


Let that sink in. Law enforcement in the US killed 92 times more people than a country with nearly 1.4 billion people


"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."



Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations.

We sure wouldn't want to count Chinese executions, would we? And definitely not countries in our own hemisphere. Cherry picking is WAY too much fun.

Gotta love 43,000,000 1st generation immigrants in the USA, birthright citizenship and the ACLU, huh?
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

There are a lot of people who attempt suicide and fail...and greatly appreciate their failure.


Just something to consider.

Off topic, but worth discussing.

Would have to be a new thread somewhere. Like Law and Order.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

And a happy holidays to you as well.

I'd wish you the same, but you're about to get yourself killed doing something more important that 99% of Americans ever do.

Please advise where I can send my seasons greetings to in your late absence.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

There are a lot of people who attempt suicide and fail...and greatly appreciate their failure.


Just something to consider.

The only people who fail are people who wanted to fail.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Got into this esp. on a thread about assisted suicide.

It came down to: the state has the obligation to not allow you to violate your own right to life :roll:

All authoritarian policy is based on 'greater good'. Some of it I agree. I don't think we can 'greater good' an individual making that choice under reasonable circumstances.


Definitely. The specific topic is whether there is a legal duty to defend anyone, whether or not at your own risk. The answer is no. However, there MAY be an ethical duty to do so.

I was at a bar when the subject arose. Anyone would prevent a rape, of course, we stipulated. A young man, a day worker from town, said "what if it means you're next". We were all pretty quick to give him a pass.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

We sure wouldn't want to count Chinese executions, would we? And definitely not countries in our own hemisphere. Cherry picking...

Yeah, you might want to get a new atlas.

Last time I checked the USA was in the Western Hemisphere...along with Canada, UK, Iceland, Germany...


But go ahead...you probably can think of countries a lot more similar to the USA. I know, how about Australia ? Not the same hemisphere I know....
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Post #8762 on the Democracy V Republic thread in the US Constitution section:

.
.
.


Numbers of People Killed by US Police:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.aabe3092bbfc

2018: 830 (so far)
2017: 987

In 2014 US police killed over 1100 (about 3 people per DAY):

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations


In 2014 (where US police killed 1100+ people):
Canadian police killed 14 people
British police killed 1 person (same as in 2013 Btw)
German police killed 0 people (same as in 2013)
Icelandic police killed 0 people (in fact they've only every killed 1 person ... EVER)
Chinese police killed 12 people (with a population 4.5 times larger than the USA)


Let that sink in. Law enforcement in the US killed 92 times more people than a country with nearly 1.4 billion people


"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."



Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations.

Your first link doesn't work; your second link claims that the data from the FBI and CDC is staggeringly inaccurate and provides data from "citizen run" websites.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Your first link doesn't work; your second link claims that the data from the FBI and CDC is staggeringly inaccurate and provides data from "citizen run" websites.

Sorry, that's what you get when you copy and paste a whole post.

Here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.5f46df8355e1


At least you tried to read it.


Which figures do you not believe ?


The Albuquerque, NM v England stat is pretty interesting.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

I'd wish you the same, but you're about to get yourself killed doing something more important that 99% of Americans ever do.

Please advise where I can send my seasons greetings to in your late absence.

Happy Holidays isn't good enough? No one wants your greetings; what the hell.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Happy Holidays isn't good enough? No one wants your greetings; what the hell.


OK Mr No-one have it your way.


Merry Christmas anyway because unlike you liberals, I'm not ashamed to say "CHRISTMAS".
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Sorry, that's what you get when you copy and paste a whole post.

Here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.5f46df8355e1


At least you tried to read it.


Which figures do you not believe ?


The Albuquerque, NM v England stat is pretty interesting.

Not a WP subscriber, so I couldn't get more than 2 seconds worth of data from the link. Since I can't access it, I can't answer your questions. I can understand how the FBI database, dependent upon input from the states, could be low. I'm not sure where CDC collects their data.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

OK Mr No-one have it your way.


Merry Christmas anyway because unlike you liberals, I'm not ashamed to say "CHRISTMAS".

"You liberals". haha
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Not a WP subscriber, so I couldn't get more than 2 seconds worth of data from the link. Since I can't access it, I can't answer your questions. I can understand how the FBI database, dependent upon input from the states, could be low. I'm not sure where CDC collects their data.


"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

Whats the alternative? Bad guy shoots everyone till cops show up? I would rather take my chances with the cops than a crazy pyscho murderer. Proliferating guns to responsible people makes things safer FOR ME.

To be candid, for MOST police shootings killing the other person I'm glad that is how it turned out. Glad that person is no longer preying upon we-the-people and glad we aren't spending a million dollars to try and house the criminal for life.

This thread seems to assume all lethal police shootings are a bad thing and I greatly disagree. Only wrongful police shootings are a bad thing. That means for most police shooting the outcome was perfect.
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

If police confront an armed criminal shooting, robbing, or threatening to shoot anyone this is exactly what I want police to do: "Kill him."

Sure that is simplistic, but then I'm a simple minded guy on things like that. ;)
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."

And your point is that criminals are safer in England?
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."

Is there something interesting there? The UK banned all handguns, which weren't in common use by anyone, including criminals. It's a totally different national culture.

How many people have the Russian police killed?
 
re: [W:97]Good guy with a gun

To be candid, for MOST police shootings killing the other person I'm glad that is how it turned out. Glad that person is no longer preying upon we-the-people and glad we aren't spending a million dollars to try and house the criminal for life.

This thread seems to assume all lethal police shootings are a bad thing and I greatly disagree. Only wrongful police shootings are a bad thing. That means for most police shooting the outcome was perfect.


Yeah you're fine with police shooing suspects as they attempt to run away...


If a man in the USA pulls a knife on US police, they shoot him dead....because they're so de-sensitized to gun violence.

Here's how a police force with respect for human life does it:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY
 
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