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The argument is about a Post Conception Opt Out... but people keep misrepresenting the truth. She retains 100% power and control over her pregnancy and choice if he Opts Out. They buy a car and he opts out and she can take over payments or sell the car. Same thing.
What couples that have kids are getting Child Support from a third party?
Here we go again... nobody is violating the woman's rights. She retains 100% power and control over her own body, pregnancy and the choice to give birth or not.Well as I've written a few times, you are not just "changing laws" you are ignoring rights. In this case:
Who said they can not get benefits? Jeez... here we go with the misrepresentations and accusations. I knew it was a mistake.--People have a 9th Amendment right to have kids...so how can the govt single out women here and refuse them welfare, benefits, etc when it's provided to others?
She can get benefits. Regarding religion if she is devout enough to not have an abortion the she is devout enough to not have sex with a man who will not stay with her, be married, engaged, etc. Can't claim religious piety in one hand and the right to sleep around in the other.--Women have a 1st Amendment right to religious freedom. You cannot penalize women for exercising their rights...if a woman doesnt believe in abortion, she cannot be refused welfare, benefits, etc.
There is no child.--The child has a statutory right to support from both parents (linked and quoted in post 237)
Wrong. As usual... on almost every single point.So again, it's not just changing laws, it's violating rights instead of holding the people who voluntarily chose to risk that pregnancy accountable.
It is no different than a house loan...The taxpayers.
Oh My god... this has to be about the most stupid and/or ignorant Straw Man that I have ever read. LOLEven with a loan...we're paying...many taxpayers will be dead before she pays back that loan.
This is about over...We never see that $ again.
Here we go again... nobody is violating the woman's rights. She retains 100% power and control over her own body, pregnancy and the choice to give birth or not.
Who said they can not get benefits? Jeez... here we go with the misrepresentations and accusations. I knew it was a mistake.
She can get benefits. Regarding religion if she is devout enough to not have an abortion the she is devout enough to not have sex with a man who will not stay with her, be married, engaged, etc. Can't claim religious piety in one hand and the right to sleep around in the other.
There is no child.
Here comes the "there is no child!" drama. Yes, we get it that the guy wants to set this up before there's a pregnancy, before a birth, even before sex.
It's meaningless in that nothing, no contract, stops the woman from having the baby anyway.
And as you've seen...and ignored...no contracts supersede the right of the child to support from both parents. (post 237...sourced and all)
And you've admitted as much before. So why post with such a lack of integrity as if you dont know this stuff?
Wrong. As usual... on almost every single point.
How is granting a loan denying support?Wow. You dont get this at all.
The child is entitled to that support. To deny the child that $$ because she exercised Const. protected rights is not legal. It's punitive.
This argument is about POST CONCEPTION OPTING OUT... there is no kid.Fine, I can see it either way in what you wrote. But you still cannot deny the kid because she exercised her rights.
Any person that tries to pull religious shit on one hand and sleeps around on the other is a ****ing scumbag/YOu dont get to make the judgements about her devotion and it wont matter in court.
Because you are unable to differentiate between him opting out and her having the child anyway. It is so ****ing basic too... or it is part of your lies.Then why does she need the loan?
About done here... no child has the right to support from both parents... every time I address this nobody tries to make it again because they understand just how stupid they sounded making it in the first place.Nope, and you cant even directly address the fact that the right to support from BOTH parents is explicit and belongs to the child. Why wont you address that?
How is granting a loan denying support?
This argument is about POST CONCEPTION OPTING OUT... there is no kid.
That has happened and been thrown out by the Judge. Pre-birth contracts are irrelevant compared to the interest of the child.
Any person that tries to pull religious shit on one hand and sleeps around on the other is a ****ing scumbag/
Because you are unable to differentiate between him opting out and her having the child anyway. It is so ****ing basic too... or it is part of your lies.
About done here... no child has the right to support from both parents... every time I address this nobody tries to make it again because they understand just how stupid they sounded making it in the first place.
Anyway… thoughts?
I explained it. WHat part didnt you understand? You are denying support that the child is entitled to by right...because the women exercised her rights. Not to mention that the right to support by both parents is the "child's right".
How do you not understand this? You are penalizing the woman and the child when rights protect both of them.
Who cares what you think? Again, not interested in your judgement, her 1A right is protected, and the judges dont care about your feelings either.
I can differentiate between that...why do you ignore the fact that no agreement can stop her from having the kid anyway? And when that happens, when there is a child...whatever the parents 'want' is irrelevant...the child's right to support from both parents supersedes the agreement
What's my lie? Be specific?
Here's proof you're wrong. Now...where's your proof disputing it?
Child Support is a statutory right that actually "belongs" to the child. Neither the egg donor nor the sperm donor can "contract out" of their liability under the laws that grant the statutory right to child support.So anything 'pre-conception' or 'pre-birth' is useless...if there's a child, their statutory right supersedes the contract or law."No matter what situation gives rise to the need for child support, it might help to think of the legal right to child support as being possessed by a child (which it technically is), for his or her proper care and upbringing, regardless of who actually receives child support payments.The fact that the custodial parent has a high income does not itself justify deviation from the guidelines, because under the law children have the right to benefit from both parents' incomes."Child Support Basics - FindLaw
Because in the United States nearly half of all marriages end in divorce and almost one-fourth of all children are born to unmarried parents, the regulation of child support is an important social issue. Learn about the basics of child support, and more, at FindLaw's Child Support section.www.findlaw.com --also--A child’s right to receive parental support is inherent and cannot be waived by either party. Regardless of the parents’ relationship with one another (whether married, divorced, separated, or never married), as long as paternity has been established, both parents are on the hook for child support. Regardless of any arrangement—such as “trading” spousal support for child support—both parents still have a legal obligation to support the child.Can You Waive Child Support? | Law Office of Heath L. Baker
Can you waive child support in Riverside? If you want an experienced family law attorney on your side, contact Heath Baker Law. Call us for a FREE consult!heathbakerlaw.com
You're so romantic.Actually many don't. They just have sex. I recommend they get their intentions in writing
Aren't I?You're so romantic.
What DOES the child have a right to?Yep and the child has no right to child support
I've heard this opt out argument many times, but it really isn't an equal situation, so there is no way to have a man be able to abort a child. It cannot be "equal." Women can abort because only women can have babies (sorry transgenders, that's the reality). And, so there is an inherent, natural extant difference which means different things are treated equally. An "opt out" where a child is ultimately born does not create equality, because in the abortion situation there is never a child, and in the opt out situation there is a child. Abandoning a child is not the equivalent of an abortion.He chooses to ignore that no matter what paper she signs, there's no way to stop the woman from having the kid. Not legally, not practically.
But this opt-out idea is a Hail Mary, manipulation to convince the woman she should abort if she wants to have a relationship with him.
Well said.Abandoning a child is not the equivalent of an abortion.
How is it an insult when I am correct. You did not tell me how you got that idea.Oh....yiu can insult me but don't like it back
Got it. Lol
What is to concede. Bodi is doing his usual thing of hoping that being obnoxious will drive away those who have no trouble pointing out how ridiculous his thinking is.You are conceding already?
Ok
Are you arguing from a point that women do not have right to make choices about what happens to their bodies? If so then your position here is understandable. If not then their choice is theirs while the choice a male makes is the males choices. That is what he is being held accountable for.But you are not asking men be responsible for their actions by demanding they pay support. You are demanding that men be held responsible for the choices that a female made.
And that is her right to make that choice. But then you are the one arguing that while it is there choice Your particular sub text is that the women's choice should be to first consider what a man wants.He is responsible for half of the pregnancy... the woman is the one responsible for giving birth. 100% on her.
You'll get em next timeWhat is to concede. Bodi is doing his usual thing of hoping that being obnoxious will drive away those who have no trouble pointing out how ridiculous his thinking is.
That is his way of saying he cannot think up a good way of refuting the fact that he just wants the right for men not to be held accountable for their own actions.
To continue the debate with him would be a waste because all I will get from now on is insults as that is all he has.
Don't go away angry!!How is it an insult when I am correct. You did not tell me how you got that idea.
Are you asking me to stay for the debate or do you just want chat me up.?Don't go away angry!!
The fact that he is being obnoxious means I already have.You'll get em next time
Have you? LolThe fact that he is being obnoxious means I already have.
You do you buddyAre you asking me to stay for the debate or do you just want chat me up.?
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