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[W:#151]House passes anti-trans youth treatment bill

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"On a near-party-line vote, the Idaho House on Tuesday HB 675, Nampa Rep. Bruce Skaug's bill to make it a felony to provide gender care to transgender youth, including hormones, after a searing debate that touched on life and death, rights, God and more; there were tears shed. In the end, the only Republican to vote against the bill was the House's only physician, Dr. Fred Wood, R-Burley, who joined all 12 House Democrats in the 55-13 vote. Two Republicans missed the vote. The bill now moves to the Senate.

Skaug told the House, “We need to stop sterilizing and mutilating children under the age of 18.” He said his bill would protect “boys and girls who have their genitals mutilated by chemicals or surgery for purposes of changing their birth sex.” The bill passed, 55-13, and now moves to the Senate. Though mainstream medicine in the United States holds otherwise, he maintained that transgender children “if allowed to go through puberty, outgrow their problem and accept their bodies over time.”

Lawmakers with transgender relatives or friends sharply disagreed. Rep. Ilana Rubel, D-Boise, remembered asking a friend if she was "really, really sure" about allowing her teenager to begin gender transition hormones, only to learn, "This is obviously not a step that a family takes lightly. This is a step that comes after literally thousands of hours of agonizing." "This is the heaviest imaginable hand of government overriding family decisions on the most critical and frankly in many cases life-threatening questions," Rubel told the House. By forcing people to wait until after puberty to begin a transition, she said, in many cases the transition becomes much more difficult because gender characteristics become so much more pronounced, including things like stature. "You are really messing with their lives until their dying day," she said.

The bill would make it a felony, punishable by life in prison, not only to provide the treatment in question, but to provide permission for a minor to receive it, or to permit a minor to travel out of state to receive it."

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This is a form of genocide.
 

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Absolutely agree with this bill. If a person wants to have elective surgery to alter their appearance, it needs to be a decision made by an adult. Providing hormone blockers to someone pre puberty or altering their physical appearance is child abuse.
 

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This is a form of genocide.
"Genocide?" That's a joke, right?

Do you even know what the word means?

Genocide: the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

That isn't even REMOTELY what the Idaho House bill does.
 

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Absolutely agree with this bill. If a person wants to have elective surgery to alter their appearance, it needs to be a decision made by an adult. Providing hormone blockers to someone pre puberty or altering their physical appearance is child abuse.

No adult, incl a parent, is allowed to give authority for treatment of the youth in question. All they can do is move the youth to a legal residence out of state.
 

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No adult, incl a parent, is allowed to give authority for treatment of the youth in question.
I know. I agree with that. My statement was not clear, and I apologize. I mean to say an adult must make the decision for themselves, not for a child.
All they can do is move the youth to a legal residence out of state.
Which is still child abuse if done in another state.
 

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Idaho has a law against female genital mutilation also. I guess perhaps some would like to see that not be a law?

If an adult believes that their child should have their clitoris removed - should that be allowed?

 

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"On a near-party-line vote, the Idaho House on Tuesday HB 675, Nampa Rep. Bruce Skaug's bill to make it a felony to provide gender care to transgender youth, including hormones, after a searing debate that touched on life and death, rights, God and more; there were tears shed. In the end, the only Republican to vote against the bill was the House's only physician, Dr. Fred Wood, R-Burley, who joined all 12 House Democrats in the 55-13 vote. Two Republicans missed the vote. The bill now moves to the Senate.

Skaug told the House, “We need to stop sterilizing and mutilating children under the age of 18.” He said his bill would protect “boys and girls who have their genitals mutilated by chemicals or surgery for purposes of changing their birth sex.” The bill passed, 55-13, and now moves to the Senate. Though mainstream medicine in the United States holds otherwise, he maintained that transgender children “if allowed to go through puberty, outgrow their problem and accept their bodies over time.”

Lawmakers with transgender relatives or friends sharply disagreed. Rep. Ilana Rubel, D-Boise, remembered asking a friend if she was "really, really sure" about allowing her teenager to begin gender transition hormones, only to learn, "This is obviously not a step that a family takes lightly. This is a step that comes after literally thousands of hours of agonizing." "This is the heaviest imaginable hand of government overriding family decisions on the most critical and frankly in many cases life-threatening questions," Rubel told the House. By forcing people to wait until after puberty to begin a transition, she said, in many cases the transition becomes much more difficult because gender characteristics become so much more pronounced, including things like stature. "You are really messing with their lives until their dying day," she said.


The bill would make it a felony, punishable by life in prison, not only to provide the treatment in question, but to provide permission for a minor to receive it, or to permit a minor to travel out of state to receive it."

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This is a form of genocide.
Just another example of more retarded 'christian' bigotry and prejudice. These idiot throwbacks should find themselves a deserted island and stay well clear of normal, decent and inclusive folk who don't need a 2000 year-old book of myths and fairy tales to tell them how to run their lives. Most thinking and educated adults can figure that out for themselves. I truly despise these hypocritical god-bothering morons; Trump's beloved "poorly educated". Gender reassignment is legal from the age of 16 in Britain.
 
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They need to start throwing these groomers and child abusers in prison
 

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"On a near-party-line vote, the Idaho House on Tuesday HB 675, Nampa Rep. Bruce Skaug's bill to make it a felony to provide gender care to transgender youth, including hormones, after a searing debate that touched on life and death, rights, God and more; there were tears shed. In the end, the only Republican to vote against the bill was the House's only physician, Dr. Fred Wood, R-Burley, who joined all 12 House Democrats in the 55-13 vote. Two Republicans missed the vote. The bill now moves to the Senate.

Skaug told the House, “We need to stop sterilizing and mutilating children under the age of 18.” He said his bill would protect “boys and girls who have their genitals mutilated by chemicals or surgery for purposes of changing their birth sex.” The bill passed, 55-13, and now moves to the Senate. Though mainstream medicine in the United States holds otherwise, he maintained that transgender children “if allowed to go through puberty, outgrow their problem and accept their bodies over time.”

Lawmakers with transgender relatives or friends sharply disagreed. Rep. Ilana Rubel, D-Boise, remembered asking a friend if she was "really, really sure" about allowing her teenager to begin gender transition hormones, only to learn, "This is obviously not a step that a family takes lightly. This is a step that comes after literally thousands of hours of agonizing." "This is the heaviest imaginable hand of government overriding family decisions on the most critical and frankly in many cases life-threatening questions," Rubel told the House. By forcing people to wait until after puberty to begin a transition, she said, in many cases the transition becomes much more difficult because gender characteristics become so much more pronounced, including things like stature. "You are really messing with their lives until their dying day," she said.


The bill would make it a felony, punishable by life in prison, not only to provide the treatment in question, but to provide permission for a minor to receive it, or to permit a minor to travel out of state to receive it."

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This is a form of genocide.
Sounds like an attempt to protect children. Maybe counseling is a better choice, and not counseling to tell them to change gender/sex! Sex change seems so extreme as it defies biology/DNA.
Sew a few limbs on you and you are a Tree!
 

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"On a near-party-line vote, the Idaho House on Tuesday HB 675, Nampa Rep. Bruce Skaug's bill to make it a felony to provide gender care to transgender youth, including hormones, after a searing debate that touched on life and death, rights, God and more; there were tears shed. In the end, the only Republican to vote against the bill was the House's only physician, Dr. Fred Wood, R-Burley, who joined all 12 House Democrats in the 55-13 vote. Two Republicans missed the vote. The bill now moves to the Senate.

Skaug told the House, “We need to stop sterilizing and mutilating children under the age of 18.” He said his bill would protect “boys and girls who have their genitals mutilated by chemicals or surgery for purposes of changing their birth sex.” The bill passed, 55-13, and now moves to the Senate. Though mainstream medicine in the United States holds otherwise, he maintained that transgender children “if allowed to go through puberty, outgrow their problem and accept their bodies over time.”

Lawmakers with transgender relatives or friends sharply disagreed. Rep. Ilana Rubel, D-Boise, remembered asking a friend if she was "really, really sure" about allowing her teenager to begin gender transition hormones, only to learn, "This is obviously not a step that a family takes lightly. This is a step that comes after literally thousands of hours of agonizing." "This is the heaviest imaginable hand of government overriding family decisions on the most critical and frankly in many cases life-threatening questions," Rubel told the House. By forcing people to wait until after puberty to begin a transition, she said, in many cases the transition becomes much more difficult because gender characteristics become so much more pronounced, including things like stature. "You are really messing with their lives until their dying day," she said.


The bill would make it a felony, punishable by life in prison, not only to provide the treatment in question, but to provide permission for a minor to receive it, or to permit a minor to travel out of state to receive it."

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This is a form of genocide.
this is bigoty, anti-science and child endangerment at its worse and its sad
it wont survive time though
 

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Just another example of more retarded 'christian' bigotry and prejudice. These idiot throwbacks should find themselves a deserted island and stay well clear of normal, decent and inclusive folk who don't need a 2000 year-old book of myths and fairy tales to tell them how to run their lives. Most thinking and educated adults can figure that out for themselves. I truly despise these hypocritical god-bothering morons; Trump's beloved "poorly educated". Gender reassignment is legal from the age of 16 in Britain.
This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with medical science. Blocking puberty in children has long term negative medical effects. Mutilating a childs body because they suffer from a mental illness, is child abuse. If a person wants to have elective surgery or take hormone blockers, they can make that decision for themselves when they are an adult.
 

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this is bigoty, anti-science and child endangerment at its worse and its sad
That is precisely why this was passed, to stop child abuse. Biology dictates your sex, not your feelings.
it wont survive time though
Why? Why do you think child bodily mutilation is something we should be doing? If a person wants elective surgery, they need to be an adult and make that decision for themselves.
 

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This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with medical science. Blocking puberty in children has long term negative medical effects. Mutilating a childs body because they suffer from a mental illness, is child abuse. If a person wants to have elective surgery or take hormone blockers, they can make that decision for themselves when they are an adult.
No, it's about religion and bigotry.
 

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That is precisely why this was passed, to stop child abuse. Biology dictates your sex, not your feelings.

Why? Why do you think child bodily mutilation is something we should be doing? If a person wants elective surgery, they need to be an adult and make that decision for themselves.
I imagine you're also against baby boys being circumcised, by having their penis surgically mutilated, before they're old enough to make that decision for themselves. There is no scientific or clinical reason for doing so.
 

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"On a near-party-line vote, the Idaho House on Tuesday HB 675, Nampa Rep. Bruce Skaug's bill to make it a felony to provide gender care to transgender youth, including hormones, after a searing debate that touched on life and death, rights, God and more; there were tears shed. In the end, the only Republican to vote against the bill was the House's only physician, Dr. Fred Wood, R-Burley, who joined all 12 House Democrats in the 55-13 vote. Two Republicans missed the vote. The bill now moves to the Senate.

Skaug told the House, “We need to stop sterilizing and mutilating children under the age of 18.” He said his bill would protect “boys and girls who have their genitals mutilated by chemicals or surgery for purposes of changing their birth sex.” The bill passed, 55-13, and now moves to the Senate. Though mainstream medicine in the United States holds otherwise, he maintained that transgender children “if allowed to go through puberty, outgrow their problem and accept their bodies over time.”

Lawmakers with transgender relatives or friends sharply disagreed. Rep. Ilana Rubel, D-Boise, remembered asking a friend if she was "really, really sure" about allowing her teenager to begin gender transition hormones, only to learn, "This is obviously not a step that a family takes lightly. This is a step that comes after literally thousands of hours of agonizing." "This is the heaviest imaginable hand of government overriding family decisions on the most critical and frankly in many cases life-threatening questions," Rubel told the House. By forcing people to wait until after puberty to begin a transition, she said, in many cases the transition becomes much more difficult because gender characteristics become so much more pronounced, including things like stature. "You are really messing with their lives until their dying day," she said.


The bill would make it a felony, punishable by life in prison, not only to provide the treatment in question, but to provide permission for a minor to receive it, or to permit a minor to travel out of state to receive it."

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This is a form of genocide.

As with most issues, this one is far more complicated than the extreme partisans on either side are willing to bother themselves with understanding.

On the one hand, there are certainly people who are born with a truly biologically identifiable gender assignment issue, who should be able to avail themselves of early treatments to push themselves in one direction or another according to their preference in order to get the best possible long term results.

On the other hand, there may be people who have no such identifiable issues and who may nevertheless make rash, irreversible decisions that they may later regret, pushed along by societal or parental pressure, and where better options may be available to address their dysphoria.

Neither side seems willing to address this dilemma. To them, it's black and white, and anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi. So sad, really.
 

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That is precisely why this was passed, to stop child abuse. Biology dictates your sex, not your feelings.
sweet irony, speaking of feelings the medical science community does NOT agree with your feelings that its blank child abuse so try again LMAO
secondly where your post looks even more stupid and factually wrong "feelings" has nothing to with the fact/topic of SEX =/= GENDER
thanks for factually proving how monumentally uneducated you are on this topic LMAO
Why? Why do you think child bodily mutilation is something we should be doing? If a person wants elective surgery, they need to be an adult and make that decision for themselves.
easy, rights
the rest of your retarded and uneducated and factually wrong feelings are meaningless to this topic
thanks for playing!
😂🍿
 

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This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with medical science. Blocking puberty in children has long term negative medical effects. Mutilating a childs body because they suffer from a mental illness, is child abuse. If a person wants to have elective surgery or take hormone blockers, they can make that decision for themselves when they are an adult.

"the only Republican to vote against the bill was the House's only physician..."
 

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this is bigoty, anti-science and child endangerment at its worse and its sad
it wont survive time though
Should the law that makes genital mutilation illegal be tossed then also?

Should parents be allowed to decide that girls don't need a clitoris?

At what age should children be given hormone blockers?
At what age should gender reassignment surgery be allowed?

If you support these things - state what age you think it should be acceptable.

And state why it is different than genital mutilation?
 

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As with most issues, this one is far more complicated than the extreme partisans on either side are willing to bother themselves with understanding.

On the one hand, there are certainly people who are born with a truly biologically identifiable gender assignment issue, who should be able to avail themselves of early treatments to push themselves in one direction or another according to their preference in order to get the best possible long term results.

On the other hand, there may be people who have no such identifiable issues and who may nevertheless make rash, irreversible decisions that they may later regret, pushed along by societal or parental pressure, and where better options may be available to address their dysphoria.

Neither side seems willing to address this dilemma. To them, it's black and white, and anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi. So sad, really.

Leaving it to the family and the doctor seems like common sense.
 

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sweet irony, speaking of feelings the medical science community does NOT agree with your feelings that its blank child abuse so try again LMAO
Of course they do.
secondly where your post looks even more stupid and factually wrong "feelings" has nothing to with the fact/topic of SEX =/= GENDER
Yes, it does. Sex is objective, and determined by biology. Gender is subjective, and determined by feelings.
thanks for factually proving how monumentally uneducated you are on this topic LMAO
Because you were just schooled again? lol
easy, rights
the rest of your retarded and uneducated and factually wrong feelings are meaningless to this topic
thanks for playing!
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I didn't express any feelings. I correctly schooled you on biology.
 

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Should the law that makes genital mutilation illegal be tossed then also?

Should parents be allowed to decide that girls don't need a clitoris?

At what age should children be given hormone blockers?
At what age should gender reassignment surgery be allowed?

If you support these things - state what age you think it should be acceptable.

And state why it is different than genital mutilation?

Apparently never, according to these politicians who know best.
 
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