No, the danger is in military conflict leading to nuclear bombs destroying the world.
Right, but Putin isn't going to nuke us the moment we fly airplanes into Ukraine. I mean, hypothetically, he could, but it's not very likely. I mean, for that matter, he could nuke us all now without any provocation whatsoever, but again, not very likely. Sending forces into Ukraine would be an escalation on our part, but Putin wouldn't think it's time to launch his submarine nukes. He probably would counter-escalate to see just how serious we are about challenging him, and I'd advocate for counter-escalating his counter-escalation with another one. Putin needs to know that we're done ****ing around.
That's the point if they're 10 inches from Poland: they're not in Poland, because that's the lie he knows he can't cross. He can act in Ukraine and he is.
No, that's not the point. The point is, Putin is already escalating well beyond where we should be comfortable. If we can discourage him from 'accidentally' lobbing an errant missile into Poland or somewhere else, we should do that. We should not wait until Article 5 tells us that we have no choice but to fire back.
Surveillance has a long tradition. Remember Gary Powers?
It might have a long tradition, but that's beside the point. It's an escalation and an aggressive act.
No, it's not. It's the price of nuclear weapons existing. You draw lines. He's not misread as a man who can destroy the world. Yes, the message tells him he can do terrible harm to Ukraine, and he is taking advantage of that. Alternatively, we could limit his actions too much, use our military against him, and destroy the world. Not a good choice.
Vladimir Putin isn't interested in destroying the world, and there would have to be a serious of reckless escalations on both sides before we'd get to the brink of all-out nuclear exchange. I think there's a non-zero chance that Putin introduces more provocative and direct acts of escalation against us and NATO countries. The economic isolation alone may cause him to lash out in unexpected ways. Although Putin is dangerous, that shouldn't deter us from retaliating.
Again, you are in denial about the danger of nuclear war. You just don't get it in my opinion. Which illustrates the danger of nuclear weapons and how flawed people can cause them to get used.
No dude, seriously, enough with condescension. I get it. Nukes are dangerous. I grew up near an air-base with nuclear-armed B-52s - I know how dangerous this is. Doesn't change the fact that you can't let thugs like Putin or Kim use nuclear blackmail to get what they want. You just can't live in that world. I think you're the one who doesn't understand here. Yes, nukes are dangerous, but letting nuclear bullies have their way is even more dangerous.
