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[W:1458] Atmospheric CO2 Tops 408 PPM

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Atmospheric CO2 continues it's extreme rise in the 21st century. The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate. 2015-2018 have been the 4 warmest years on record.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

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It may feel nice to say words like "The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate.", but there is still
minimal empirical evidence that CO2 actually does what is claimed in the atmosphere.
A change in radiative forcing vs a change in CO2 level, has little validation, and what little there
is, comes in much lower then the sensitivity used in the models.
http://asl.umbc.edu/pub/chepplew/journals/nature14240_v519_Feldman_CO2.pdf
 

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It may feel nice to say words like "The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate.", but there is still
minimal empirical evidence that CO2 actually does what is claimed in the atmosphere.
A change in radiative forcing vs a change in CO2 level, has little validation, and what little there
is, comes in much lower then the sensitivity used in the models.
http://asl.umbc.edu/pub/chepplew/journals/nature14240_v519_Feldman_CO2.pdf

Yet almost all the scientists who study this would strongly disagree with you.

Gotta love anonymous internet google geniuses who have literally done no work in the field.

From the article that you linked, (but didn’t read):

“The climate perturbation from this surface forcing will be larger than the observed effect, since it has been found that the water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three and will increase, largely owing to thermodynamic constraints. “
 
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Re: Atmospheric CO2 Tops 408 PPM

Atmospheric CO2 continues it's extreme rise in the 21st century. The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate. 2015-2018 have been the 4 warmest years on record.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

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I know right?

I can hardly breath...and because Trump did away with the individual mandate I wasnt forced to get a useless healthcare plan to help me out. What is one to do? Join Antifa, BLM or become a Democratic Socialist? Will that solve the problem?

Please help, times are desperate...I mean we are way past Gores predictions of doom, so any day now ...and hasnt Guam tipped over yet? We should be afraid, it all seems too real.
 

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I know right?

I can hardly breath...and because Trump did away with the individual mandate I wasnt forced to get a useless healthcare plan to help me out. What is one to do? Join Antifa, BLM or become a Democratic Socialist? Will that solve the problem?

Please help, times are desperate...I mean we are way past Gores predictions of doom, so any day now ...and hasnt Guam tipped over yet? We should be afraid, it all seems too real.

Oh, look.

It’s denier alt-right word jumble today!

To really do it right, you need to throw in some non sequitrs about Hillary and/or Obama.
 

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Oh, look.

It’s denier alt-right word jumble today!

To really do it right, you need to throw in some non sequitrs about Hillary and/or Obama.

No really.., you are ignoring the reality before your face... I mean I feel warmer every day, my breath is more and more labored...and I was planning to go on vacation to the island Guam, but Hank says its about to tip over.

What do I do? Will bicycling to Guam help cut emissions? Are you saying joining Antifa, BLM and/or becoming a Democratic Socialist wont help? Then we are so doomed.

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
 

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Yet almost all the scientists who study this would strongly disagree with you.

Gotta love anonymous internet google geniuses who have literally done no work in the field.

From the article that you linked, (but didn’t read):

“The climate perturbation from this surface forcing will be larger than the observed effect, since it has been found that the water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three and will increase, largely owing to thermodynamic constraints. “

Opinions in papers, are just that, opinions!
Also if "water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three"
then the measured data of Feldman, would include those feedbacks, since they were measuring the changes in downwelling longwave radiation.
I suppose since you read Feldman, et al 2015, you also saw this section in the abstract.
However, despite widespread scientific discussion and modelling of the climate impacts of well-mixed greenhouse gases, there is little
direct observational evidence of the radiative impact of increasing atmospheric CO2.
Hum, in 2015, a peer reviewed publication is saying there is little direct observational evidence of the radiative impact of increasing atmospheric CO2.
Let compare this to what I said,in post #2,
but there is still minimal empirical evidence that CO2 actually does what is claimed in the atmosphere.
So when you say almost all scientist who study this "strongly" disagree with me, what do you think they are disagreeing about?
 

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Re: Atmospheric CO2 Tops 408 PPM

Atmospheric CO2 continues it's extreme rise in the 21st century. The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate. 2015-2018 have been the 4 warmest years on record.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

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Fake News
Solar Rays
CO2 is not a poison
Nothing to see here
The earth is COOLING!
Fifteen years, no change!
What's wrong with a warmer planet?
Correlation is not causation!


What did I miss?
 

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Opinions in papers, are just that, opinions!
Also if "water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three"
then the measured data of Feldman, would include those feedbacks, since they were measuring the changes in downwelling longwave radiation.
I suppose since you read Feldman, et al 2015, you also saw this section in the abstract.

Hum, in 2015, a peer reviewed publication is saying there is little direct observational evidence of the radiative impact of increasing atmospheric CO2.
Let compare this to what I said,in post #2,

So when you say almost all scientist who study this "strongly" disagree with me, what do you think they are disagreeing about?

It isn’t an opinion.

In the article, the statements are fully referenced.
 

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Re: Atmospheric CO2 Tops 408 PPM

It may feel nice to say words like "The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate.", but there is still
minimal empirical evidence that CO2 actually does what is claimed in the atmosphere.
A change in radiative forcing vs a change in CO2 level, has little validation, and what little there
is, comes in much lower then the sensitivity used in the models.
http://asl.umbc.edu/pub/chepplew/journals/nature14240_v519_Feldman_CO2.pdf
:lamo
 

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No really.., you are ignoring the reality before your face... I mean I feel warmer every day, my breath is more and more labored...and I was planning to go on vacation to the island Guam, but Hank says its about to tip over.

What do I do? Will bicycling to Guam help cut emissions? Are you saying joining Antifa, BLM and/or becoming a Democratic Socialist wont help? Then we are so doomed.

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

It's time to get serious about this and appoint Al Gore as the climate czar!!!

al_gore_climate_change_cartoon.jpg
 

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It isn’t an opinion.

In the article, the statements are fully referenced.
The measured what they measured,
Here we present observationally based evidence of clear-sky CO2 surface radiative forcing that is directly attributable to
the increase, between 2000 and 2010, of 22 parts per million atmospheric CO2.
The time series both show statistically significant trends of 0.2 Wm-2 per decade.
That measurement would be inclusive of all the variables capable of changing the downwelling longwave radiation.
The equation used by almost everyone for calculating the energy imbalance from added CO2 is 5.35 X ln (CO2_high/CO2_low),
but this is based on the assumption that 2XCO2 will equal 3.71 Wm-2.
The 5.35 is from 3.71Wm-2/ln(2)=5.35, so let's apply Feldman's empirical data to that same criteria.
.2 Wm-2/ln(392/370)=3.46, so based on the self admitted very limited empirical data on actual CO2 radiative forcing,
doubling the CO2 level could be expressed by 3.46 X ln(2)=2.4 Wm-2, almost 36% lower than the amount used by almost everyone.
And yet this passed peer review.
 

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It's time to get serious about this and appoint Al Gore as the climate czar!!!

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We may have to put the AGW hoaxers on the endangered species list. Or just them go extinct, as nature always intended. :lamo
 

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The measured what they measured,

The time series both show statistically significant trends of 0.2 Wm-2 per decade.
That measurement would be inclusive of all the variables capable of changing the downwelling longwave radiation.
The equation used by almost everyone for calculating the energy imbalance from added CO2 is 5.35 X ln (CO2_high/CO2_low),
but this is based on the assumption that 2XCO2 will equal 3.71 Wm-2.
The 5.35 is from 3.71Wm-2/ln(2)=5.35, so let's apply Feldman's empirical data to that same criteria.
.2 Wm-2/ln(392/370)=3.46, so based on the self admitted very limited empirical data on actual CO2 radiative forcing,
doubling the CO2 level could be expressed by 3.46 X ln(2)=2.4 Wm-2, almost 36% lower than the amount used by almost everyone.
And yet this passed peer review.

“The climate per- turbation from this surface forcing will be larger than the observed effect, since it has been found that the water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three28 and will increase, largely owing to thermodynamic constraints29. “
 

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“The climate per- turbation from this surface forcing will be larger than the observed effect, since it has been found that the water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three28 and will increase, largely owing to thermodynamic constraints29. “
And yet would not that feedback be present in the empirical measurement?
They did measure from 5.5 um to about 20 um and would have seen changes in the H2O bands between 5 and 8 um.
 

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And yet would not that feedback be present in the empirical measurement?
They did measure from 5.5 um to about 20 um and would have seen changes in the H2O bands between 5 and 8 um.


I’ll await your published comment in the journal.

Because...

“The climate per- turbation from this surface forcing will be larger than the observed effect, since it has been found that the water-vapour feedback enhances green- house gas forcing at the surface by a factor of three28 and will increase, largely owing to thermodynamic constraints29. “
 

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[h=2]Nature Unbound X – The next glaciation[/h][FONT=&quot]Posted on August 14, 2018 by curryja | 4 comments[/FONT]
by Javier
Summary: The IPCC expresses virtual certainty that a glaciation is not possible for the next 50 Kyr if CO2levels remain above 300 ppm. It is the long interglacial hypothesis. Analysis of interglacials of the past 800 Kyr shows they depend on obliquity-linked summer energy, ice-volume, and eccentricity, and they end at glacial inception after ~ 6000 years of Neoglaciation-type temperature decline. The lag between orbital forcing and ice volume change indicates the orbital threshold for glacial inception is crossed thousands of years before glacial inception, and the Holocene went through that threshold long ago. In the absence of sufficient anthropogenic forcing glacial inception should take place in 1500-2500 years. The long interglacial hypothesis rests on the wrong astronomical parameter, high-equilibrium climate sensitivity to CO2, and uncertain model predictions of very long-tailed CO2decay. It is not possible to determine at present if a glacial inception will take place over the next millennia. The precautionary principle indicates we should prepare for that eventuality as it would constitute the worst catastrophe humankind has ever faced.
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Atmospheric CO2 continues it's extreme rise in the 21st century. The heat trapping gas is affecting the earths climate. 2015-2018 have been the 4 warmest years on record.

2016>2017>2018 . . . .

Cooling is under way.
 

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It's the end of the world as we know it...

OH GNOES! 405 out of 1,000,000! In an atmosphere where CO2 is less than 0.04% of all the gasses! IT'S A CAAAATAAASTROPHY!

You understand physics and chemistry about as well as you understand basic climate science....

Using your logic, if CO2 was completely absent, it would be no big deal, since it’s just a trace gas.
 

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It's the end of the world as we know it...

OH GNOES! 405 out of 1,000,000! In an atmosphere where CO2 is less than 0.04% of all the gasses! IT'S A CAAAATAAASTROPHY!

Least Intelligent Comment of the Year nominee.
 

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You understand physics and chemistry about as well as you understand basic climate science....

Using your logic, if CO2 was completely absent, it would be no big deal, since it’s just a trace gas.

You understand only what political people tell you to think. You lack the ability to critically question and research anything.
 

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Least Intelligent Comment of the Year nominee.

That would be a nomination well down on the list, as pretty much any post from you takes the top 1000 spots.
 

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You understand only what political people tell you to think. You lack the ability to critically question and research anything.

So then you DO think if we remove the trace amount of CO2 from the atmosphere that everything will be pretty much the same?
 

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So then you DO think if we remove the trace amount of CO2 from the atmosphere that everything will be pretty much the same?

No, all the plants would die, what a silly comment to make. Plants breathe CO2, and Make O2. I thought you were all about science and I was supposed to be the anti-science person...
 
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