• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

[W:125]When Will China Move To Capture Taiwan?

I see it coming with four years max. Their Navy is now the best in the world I'm told and they will never accept Taiwan as anything other than part of China.
China does not have the best navy on earth, america still has the best blue water navy by a longshot, and russia still has the best brown water navy on earth, china is no match for either of those navies even though their sop is miles apart with americas being force projection and russias being home defense of waters.

China is currently the big spender with no skill or experience, calling them the best is absurd.
 
They would be picked up by Chinese radar long before they even reach the mainland. Fantasy stuff i'm afraid.

The only way Taiwan could do it would be to develop/buy ballistic missiles with heavy bunker busting busting warheads and send a large swarm of them.

Gravity dam's are notoriously hard to breach, so would probably require several direct hits to be effective.

.
It is not as hard as you think, low flying aircraft dodge everything but s band and l band, aka early detection radars, and only s band of the two is capable of targeting anything currently. This means china would need a massive early detection radar system in place, or awacs on nonstop flight to do the same task. Their neighbor russia has massive early detection radar systems in place, evidence does not back china having the same.
 
Here's some of why there's constant apoplexy going on in Beijing these dayze.


Carrier Reagan Back in the South China Sea, U.S. Destroyer Makes Taiwan Strait Transit
By: Sam LaGrone
October 15, 2020


From left, USNS Charles Drew (T-AKE-10), USS Comstock (LSD-45), USS Shiloh (CG-67), USS New Orleans (LPD-18), USS Chicago (SSN-721), USS America (LHA-6), USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76), USNS John Ericsson (T-AO-194), USS Antietam (CG-54), USS Germantown (LSD-42) and USNS Sacagawea (T-AKE-2) steam in formation while E/A-18G Growlers and FA-18E Super Hornets from Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5, a P-8 Poseidon from Commander Task Force 72, and U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptors and a B-1B Bomber fly over the formation in support of Valiant Shield 2020 on Sept. 25, 2020. US Navy Photo


The Ronald Regan Carrier Strike Group is now operating in the South China Sea for the third time as part of its current underway period. Meanwhile, a destroyer made a transit of the Taiwan Strait on Wednesday. USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) and its strike group passed through the Strait of Malacca and entered the South China Sea on Monday, according to ship spotters. Accompanying the carrier was guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG-54) and destroyer USS Halsey (DDG-97).

“While in the South China Sea, the strike group is conducting maritime security operations, which include flight operations with fixed and rotary wing aircraft, maritime strike exercises, and coordinated tactical training between surface and air units,” read a statement from U.S. 7th Fleet. Prior to arriving in the South China Sea, Reagan was operating in the Indian Ocean before returning through the strait. The strike group had previously operated in the region in mid-August. Reagan embarked with Carrier Air Wing 5 in June from its forward deployed homeport in Yokosuka, Japan.




USS Barry (DDG-52) transits the Taiwan Strait on Oct. 14, 2020. US Navy Photo . “The ship’s transit through the Taiwan Strait demonstrates the U.S. commitment to a free and open Indo-Pacific,” read the statement by U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, Hawaii. According to Beijing, Chinese forces monitored the U.S. destroyer during its transit. “We warn the U.S. to stop its words and deeds that provoke trouble and disturb the situation in the Taiwan Strait,” military spokesman Col. Zhang Chunhui said on Thursday. The destroyer’s transit and Reagan’s follow a freedom of navigation operation by USS John McCain (DDG-56) off the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea earlier this month. Chinese officials protested McCain’s transit past the islands at the time. Much to Beijing's fury it was the 10th USN transit of the Taiwan Strait this year.








pic.1602770737.jpg

Heads exploded in Beijing again when two USN destroyers traversed the Taiwan Strait northbound
to rendezvous with the Canadian Navy corvette HMCS Winnipeg last week on their way to join
ships of the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force for joint exercises in the East Sea between Japan
and China. Taiwan Ministry of Defense said it "monitored" the activities.


Among USN destroyer passages via the South China Sea northbound along the 100 mile wide strait this year have been the USS Stethem and cargo ship USNS Cesar Chavez, the USS McCampbell and fleet replenishment oiler USNS Walter S. Diehl, USS Stockdale and replenishment oiler USNS Pecos, and, jointly. the two destroyers Curtis Wilbur and USS Antietam.
 
I believe Taiwan has aircraft that can reach the dam by flying a one way mission. Avoid SAMs and interceptors by flying at very low level on the run in to target. A few 2,000 lb. bombs into the upstream face of the dam programmed to roll down the face of the dam until they are well under water before detonating.

The water pressure does the rest.
I don’t think drowning everyone downstream is in the cards. We want to destroy and de ligitimize the communist regime, not murder civilians.
 
I don’t think drowning everyone downstream is in the cards. We want to destroy and de ligitimize the communist regime, not murder civilians.

If the communist regime proves incapable of defending one of their proudest achievements that is one hell of a "delegitimization".
 
I see it coming with four years max. Their Navy is now the best in the world I'm told and they will never accept Taiwan as anything other than part of China.
" Their Navy is now the best in the world " your must be joking ....
 
I see it coming with four years max. Their Navy is now the best in the world I'm told and they will never accept Taiwan as anything other than part of China.
Their navy is nothing comparied to the US navy.

However if they had a pupet US president then he would be able to hold back the US military when the CCP moved in.

Taiwan should be far more active in veting US presidential candidates and showig the utterly corrupt ones before they get anywhere near power.
 
At this point it's beginning to look like a good old fashioned pile-on of the CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing.

As reported by India television network 18.

Go get 'em guys. .



October 3, 2020

Canadian Warship Sails Near Taiwan At Time Of Heightened China Tension

HMCS Corvette Winnipeg CDN-WS 334

canadianship.jpg



TAIPEI: A Canadian warship has sailed through the sensitive Taiwan Strait, the island’s defence ministry said on Saturday, a voyage that comes at a time of heightened military tension between China and Taiwan and which could anger Beijing. China has stepped up its military activity around the democratic island in the past few weeks, including sending fighter jets to cross the unofficial mid-way line buffer in the strait.

Taiwan’s defence ministry said the Canadian corvette had sailed into the Taiwan Strait from the South China Sea and was heading in a northerly direction after leaving the waterway. Taiwan’s armed forces monitored the ship while it was in the strait, it said, adding that the situation was normal. The ministry did not elaborate. Canada’s navy has sailed through the Taiwan Strait before, including in September of last year.
The U.S. Navy has also been conducting regular passages through the strait.



If in the coming months or at some point in the next year the U.S. might send the Reagan CVN through the Strait we can accept that things are escalating really seriously for all the nations involved and throughout the region. It's more than unfortunate that Xi Jinping in his eight years to date as leader of the CCP-PRC has turned virtually all of the developed democracies of the world against China, among some other nations such as Vietnam and Brunei.

Further and most recently the Philippines has reaffirmed its defense and values alliance with the USA. The key for the Phils is that from Obama to Trump the US assures the Phils Scarborough Shoal in the Phils EEZ off Luzon island and Manila shall not be possessed by Beijing, thereby denying China an ability to close its circle around the South China Sea and its 10 coastal nations. Beijing has seized control of the Paracels off Vietnam and the Spratleys off Indonesia and the Phils but continues to need Scarborough as the beltbuckle to the circle. Not going to happen.
 
The Chinese Navy isn't even as strong as the U.S. 7th Fleet. Much less the best in the world.
Goodness me..... by what right has America have a right to intervene in a sovereign nations right to self determination? It's sovereignty?
But if I might make one thing very clear, America tried once before to to attack China through North Korea! If you cannot remember, let me enlighten you, the American military, with the latest weapons tanks aircraft ship etc, and its allies attacked North Korea, murdering hundreds of thousands of mostly unarmed opponents! China, then intervened, with one rifle between ten men, and fought until America and its allies had had enough! And retreated with there tails between there legs! Leaving behind thousands of American soldiers, dead! Repatriated in boxes!
You really need to understand, China has told America, one company of American troops in Taiwan, China will react, and swiftly, China has said, nothing will impede the one China two systems policy, or it will be war!
Obviously Fox News and Zionist media isn't reporting the facts!
But you lot can blow off wind..... when it comes to it, China, is ready and prepared to protect its citizens sovereignty and territorial integrity, I reckon from what I've read, it will take China about six days to fourteen days to wipe out the American fleet, and retake Taiwan! Surprisingly, the American military submission is 14 days to wipe out American military posts, ships, including Guam, and to retake Taiwan!
 
Their navy is nothing comparied to the US navy.

However if they had a pupet US president then he would be able to hold back the US military when the CCP moved in.

Taiwan should be far more active in veting US presidential candidates and showig the utterly corrupt ones before they get anywhere near power.
What? Goodness me!
 
Goodness me..... by what right has America have a right to intervene in a sovereign nations right to self determination? It's sovereignty?
But if I might make one thing very clear, America tried once before to to attack China through North Korea! If you cannot remember, let me enlighten you, the American military, with the latest weapons tanks aircraft ship etc, and its allies attacked North Korea, murdering hundreds of thousands of mostly unarmed opponents! China, then intervened, with one rifle between ten men, and fought until America and its allies had had enough! And retreated with there tails between there legs! Leaving behind thousands of American soldiers, dead! Repatriated in boxes!
You really need to understand, China has told America, one company of American troops in Taiwan, China will react, and swiftly, China has said, nothing will impede the one China two systems policy, or it will be war!
Obviously Fox News and Zionist media isn't reporting the facts!
But you lot can blow off wind..... when it comes to it, China, is ready and prepared to protect its citizens sovereignty and territorial integrity, I reckon from what I've read, it will take China about six days to fourteen days to wipe out the American fleet, and retake Taiwan! Surprisingly, the American military submission is 14 days to wipe out American military posts, ships, including Guam, and to retake Taiwan!

Why do you lie?

"America tried once before to to attack China through North Korea!"

Clearly a lie.

The UN's (not just the US) mission in the Korean War was to defeat North Korea after they had invaded South Korea and had nearly swept the South Koreans from the map.

The UN forces were subsequently attacked by the forces of China. An attack that was successful in forcing UN forces to retreat to roughly the original borders.
 
Goodness me..... by what right has America have a right to intervene in a sovereign nations right to self determination? It's sovereignty?
But if I might make one thing very clear, America tried once before to to attack China through North Korea! If you cannot remember, let me enlighten you, the American military, with the latest weapons tanks aircraft ship etc, and its allies attacked North Korea, murdering hundreds of thousands of mostly unarmed opponents! China, then intervened, with one rifle between ten men, and fought until America and its allies had had enough! And retreated with there tails between there legs! Leaving behind thousands of American soldiers, dead! Repatriated in boxes!
You really need to understand, China has told America, one company of American troops in Taiwan, China will react, and swiftly, China has said, nothing will impede the one China two systems policy, or it will be war!
Obviously Fox News and Zionist media isn't reporting the facts!
But you lot can blow off wind..... when it comes to it, China, is ready and prepared to protect its citizens sovereignty and territorial integrity, I reckon from what I've read, it will take China about six days to fourteen days to wipe out the American fleet, and retake Taiwan! Surprisingly, the American military submission is 14 days to wipe out American military posts, ships, including Guam, and to retake Taiwan!
Do you actually believe that history?

I assume you do and are repeating the history you have been taught by the CCP.

25th June 1950, North Korea invaded the South aiming to unify the nation under communist rule. They had a load of exRussian tanks and stuff. the tiny US forces and South Korean forces were swept along the peninsula Southwards to the port of Busan, https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.1162452,129.1859261,10.1z

Because teh Russians were boycoting the UN at the time the US managed to get the whole UN to support their cause. Diplomatically at least.

Then the US moved a lot of forces into there and with the massive air and naval superiority they had they went on teh offensive. They got almost all of the country conquered/liberated with the South Korans in charge. That was the point when the Russians and the CCP decieded to support the North Korean communists. This was a total surpise to teh US/UN forces.

The Chineese, with Russian air support, managed to push the US/UN South. There was a lot of to and fro movement that resulted in Soul being captured 4 times. Eventually the front stablized where the border is now. There was a lot of grinding of human life in the process. Lots of artillery and air attacks and Chineese and North Koreans being forced to attack strongly fortified defensive lines in the mountains of Korea.

Just so you know.


 
Goodness me..... by what right has America have a right to intervene in a sovereign nations right to self determination? It's sovereignty?
But if I might make one thing very clear, America tried once before to to attack China through North Korea! If you cannot remember, let me enlighten you, the American military, with the latest weapons tanks aircraft ship etc, and its allies attacked North Korea, murdering hundreds of thousands of mostly unarmed opponents! China, then intervened, with one rifle between ten men, and fought until America and its allies had had enough! And retreated with there tails between there legs! Leaving behind thousands of American soldiers, dead! Repatriated in boxes!
You really need to understand, China has told America, one company of American troops in Taiwan, China will react, and swiftly, China has said, nothing will impede the one China two systems policy, or it will be war!
Obviously Fox News and Zionist media isn't reporting the facts!
But you lot can blow off wind..... when it comes to it, China, is ready and prepared to protect its citizens sovereignty and territorial integrity, I reckon from what I've read, it will take China about six days to fourteen days to wipe out the American fleet, and retake Taiwan! Surprisingly, the American military submission is 14 days to wipe out American military posts, ships, including Guam, and to retake Taiwan!

North Korea started the war. Something even the UN acknowledged.

Don't know how you got to be such a hater of the United States. Assuming you even are from Scotland.
 
North Korea started the war. Something even the UN acknowledged.

Don't know how you got to be such a hater of the United States. Assuming you even are from Scotland.
He obviously is not that is not how a Scott would describe his location. It would be like saying "I'm from the Tristate area".
 
No matter how the Boyz in Beijing cook it up and try to serve it, it's still baloney fried rice.

From the National Interest:


Why Japan's Navy is the Best in Asia (And Not China)

The best navy in Asia has a total of 114 warships and 45,800 volunteer personnel. It has a large fleet of 26 fast, powerful Aegis destroyers, 10 frigates, is converting 2 helicopter ships to aircraft carriers; it has 17 thoroughly modern diesel-electric attack submarines (Soryu class), amphibious ships that can haul tanks and other ground forces, and 25 mine countermeasures ships. It can hunt submarines, square off against invasion fleets, and shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. Technically, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force is a “self-defense force” designed to overcome the country’s constitutional limits on armed forces. It is, ship for ship, the best navy in Asia.


The main component of the MSDF are its fleet of forty-six destroyers and frigates—more than that those fielded by the United Kingdom and France combined. Organized into escort flotillas, Japan’s tin-can navy is designed to defend the country from invasion, help retake Japanese territory and keep the sea-lanes open. One final reason why Japan’s navy is the best in Asia? On March 11, 2011, a magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck off the coast of northern Japan. Vice Admiral Hiromi Takashima, commandant of the Yokosuka Naval District [Tokyo Bay], immediately assumed temporary command of the entire MSDF and ordered all available ships north to the earthquake zone. The first ship left just forty-five minutes after the earthquake. Another seventeen ships packed with relief supplies departed within eighteen hours, some with only partially recalled crews. This ability to rapidly sortie the fleet with virtually no notice was perhaps the true test of the MSDF’s professionalism and efficiency.





Welcome to the Miyako Strait of Japan co-defended by USA Pacific Forces. Miyako is the only direct route the PLA Navy has to the open western Pacific and the good guys have got it covered from above, on it and under it to include island missile fortresses. Which leaves the PLA Navy stuck at the continental shelf with no realistic or viable way to get past it.

US_Navy_101210-N-7191M-031_U.S._Navy_and_Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force_JMSDF_ships_underway_in_formation_as_part_of_a_photo_exercise_on_the_f-e1564762995289.jpg

US Navy ships and ships of the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force engage regularly in exercises in the Miyako Strait just north of Taiwan, in the Rukyu island chain of Japan that extends along the China coast from Okinawa to Taiwan. Miyako Strait is the only direct access route the PLA Navy has to the open western Pacific ocean. Key islands of the strait are heavily fortified by missiles and Japan Maritime Self Defense force submarines and anti submarine warfare ships and air forces. Japan's strong fortifications of Miyako are supported by U.S. Pacific sea, marine and air forces. Channels of the strait are heavily mined and netted and include sonar and other sophisticated intelligence devices to include satellite coverage. Miyako is also within range of Taiwan sea, marine and air forces.



Looking at this in the much larger dimension of allies, US Navy and Japan Navy combined total nearly 500 ships. With Taiwan the combined total exceeds 600 ships. Add South Korea = 750 ships. Plus Australia = 800 ships combined. This is without counting US Strategic Partner India's 200 naval ships to include two Indian made aircraft carriers. In 2015 India signed a Strategic Partner Agreement with the US allowing American use of all Indian military bases to include against a third country.
 
No matter how the Boyz in Beijing cook it up and try to serve it, it's still baloney fried rice.

From the National Interest:


Why Japan's Navy is the Best in Asia (And Not China)

The best navy in Asia has a total of 114 warships and 45,800 volunteer personnel. It has a large fleet of 26 fast, powerful Aegis destroyers, 10 frigates, is converting 2 helicopter ships to aircraft carriers; it has 17 thoroughly modern diesel-electric attack submarines (Soryu class), amphibious ships that can haul tanks and other ground forces, and 25 mine countermeasures ships. It can hunt submarines, square off against invasion fleets, and shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. Technically, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force is a “self-defense force” designed to overcome the country’s constitutional limits on armed forces. It is, ship for ship, the best navy in Asia.


The main component of the MSDF are its fleet of forty-six destroyers and frigates—more than that those fielded by the United Kingdom and France combined. Organized into escort flotillas, Japan’s tin-can navy is designed to defend the country from invasion, help retake Japanese territory and keep the sea-lanes open. One final reason why Japan’s navy is the best in Asia? On March 11, 2011, a magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck off the coast of northern Japan. Vice Admiral Hiromi Takashima, commandant of the Yokosuka Naval District [Tokyo Bay], immediately assumed temporary command of the entire MSDF and ordered all available ships north to the earthquake zone. The first ship left just forty-five minutes after the earthquake. Another seventeen ships packed with relief supplies departed within eighteen hours, some with only partially recalled crews. This ability to rapidly sortie the fleet with virtually no notice was perhaps the true test of the MSDF’s professionalism and efficiency.





Welcome to the Miyako Strait of Japan co-defended by USA Pacific Forces. Miyako is the only direct route the PLA Navy has to the open western Pacific and the good guys have got it covered from above, on it and under it to include island missile fortresses. Which leaves the PLA Navy stuck at the continental shelf with no realistic or viable way to get past it.

US_Navy_101210-N-7191M-031_U.S._Navy_and_Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force_JMSDF_ships_underway_in_formation_as_part_of_a_photo_exercise_on_the_f-e1564762995289.jpg

US Navy ships and ships of the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force engage regularly in exercises in the Miyako Strait just north of Taiwan, in the Rukyu island chain of Japan that extends along the China coast from Okinawa to Taiwan. Miyako Strait is the only direct access route the PLA Navy has to the open western Pacific ocean. Key islands of the strait are heavily fortified by missiles and Japan Maritime Self Defense force submarines and anti submarine warfare ships and air forces. Japan's strong fortifications of Miyako are supported by U.S. Pacific sea, marine and air forces. Channels of the strait are heavily mined and netted and include sonar and other sophisticated intelligence devices to include satellite coverage. Miyako is also within range of Taiwan sea, marine and air forces.



Looking at this in the much larger dimension of allies, US Navy and Japan Navy combined total nearly 500 ships. With Taiwan the combined total exceeds 600 ships. Add South Korea = 750 ships. Plus Australia = 800 ships combined. This is without counting US Strategic Partner India's 200 naval ships to include two Indian made aircraft carriers. In 2015 India signed a Strategic Partner Agreement with the US allowing American use of all Indian military bases to include against a third country.
mongols (salves) empires Muscovy or "China" have 0 chance against us free men



we have to kill with oil - gas sanctions russian empire first than sanctions on "China" ; With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde ("russia") budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher
 
It is not as hard as you think, low flying aircraft dodge everything but s band and l band, aka early detection radars, and only s band of the two is capable of targeting anything currently. This means china would need a massive early detection radar system in place, or awacs on nonstop flight to do the same task. Their neighbor russia has massive early detection radar systems in place, evidence does not back china having the same.

You would need to fly suicidely close to the water to avoid detection. The Chinese field some of the most advanced and capable radars in the world, with the coastline extremely well covered. This is an area they have been investing in for a long time.
 
Why do you lie?

"America tried once before to to attack China through North Korea!"

Clearly a lie.

The UN's (not just the US) mission in the Korean War was to defeat North Korea after they had invaded South Korea and had nearly swept the South Koreans from the map.

The UN forces were subsequently attacked by the forces of China. An attack that was successful in forcing UN forces to retreat to roughly the original borders.
I remember reading how Americans allowed hundreds of North Koreans burnt alive women and children, in cave in NK as American soldiers watched on!
But I'm interested, china sent troops to assist Nirth Korea, the facts as I stated are correct, and your arses was well kicked, leaving all the USA bodies on the battlefield where they died, as your troops ran, leaving UK forces high and dry!
You carry on with your Zionist propaganda, one only needs to look at Nirth Koreas history!

But give me a laugh, let me hear how mighty your ships and military were when one rifle for ten men, against all the modern weapons..... the western nations could produce...... and failed miserably..... and only sons of America will be the fodder for the aipac sponsored senators....third world war! But, as you detest America and Americans my german friend of Zion, you won't care..... you never have, unless it's coming to the aid of Israel.
 
Most people once again remembered why fascism is not a good form of government.
The cast of characters in AfD reminded them in rather stark fashion, and so AfD failed to excite the masses.
The masses are clearly saying AfD can take a running leap off a building and flap their arms.
 
No matter how the Boyz in Beijing cook it up and try to serve it, it's still baloney fried rice.

From the National Interest:


Why Japan's Navy is the Best in Asia (And Not China)

The best navy in Asia has a total of 114 warships and 45,800 volunteer personnel. It has a large fleet of 26 fast, powerful Aegis destroyers, 10 frigates, is converting 2 helicopter ships to aircraft carriers; it has 17 thoroughly modern diesel-electric attack submarines (Soryu class), amphibious ships that can haul tanks and other ground forces, and 25 mine countermeasures ships. It can hunt submarines, square off against invasion fleets, and shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. Technically, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force is a “self-defense force” designed to overcome the country’s constitutional limits on armed forces. It is, ship for ship, the best navy in Asia.


The main component of the MSDF are its fleet of forty-six destroyers and frigates—more than that those fielded by the United Kingdom and France combined. Organized into escort flotillas, Japan’s tin-can navy is designed to defend the country from invasion, help retake Japanese territory and keep the sea-lanes open. One final reason why Japan’s navy is the best in Asia? On March 11, 2011, a magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck off the coast of northern Japan. Vice Admiral Hiromi Takashima, commandant of the Yokosuka Naval District [Tokyo Bay], immediately assumed temporary command of the entire MSDF and ordered all available ships north to the earthquake zone. The first ship left just forty-five minutes after the earthquake. Another seventeen ships packed with relief supplies departed within eighteen hours, some with only partially recalled crews. This ability to rapidly sortie the fleet with virtually no notice was perhaps the true test of the MSDF’s professionalism and efficiency.





Welcome to the Miyako Strait of Japan co-defended by USA Pacific Forces. Miyako is the only direct route the PLA Navy has to the open western Pacific and the good guys have got it covered from above, on it and under it to include island missile fortresses. Which leaves the PLA Navy stuck at the continental shelf with no realistic or viable way to get past it.

US_Navy_101210-N-7191M-031_U.S._Navy_and_Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force_JMSDF_ships_underway_in_formation_as_part_of_a_photo_exercise_on_the_f-e1564762995289.jpg

US Navy ships and ships of the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force engage regularly in exercises in the Miyako Strait just north of Taiwan, in the Rukyu island chain of Japan that extends along the China coast from Okinawa to Taiwan. Miyako Strait is the only direct access route the PLA Navy has to the open western Pacific ocean. Key islands of the strait are heavily fortified by missiles and Japan Maritime Self Defense force submarines and anti submarine warfare ships and air forces. Japan's strong fortifications of Miyako are supported by U.S. Pacific sea, marine and air forces. Channels of the strait are heavily mined and netted and include sonar and other sophisticated intelligence devices to include satellite coverage. Miyako is also within range of Taiwan sea, marine and air forces.



Looking at this in the much larger dimension of allies, US Navy and Japan Navy combined total nearly 500 ships. With Taiwan the combined total exceeds 600 ships. Add South Korea = 750 ships. Plus Australia = 800 ships combined. This is without counting US Strategic Partner India's 200 naval ships to include two Indian made aircraft carriers. In 2015 India signed a Strategic Partner Agreement with the US allowing American use of all Indian military bases to include against a third country.
Honestly, ship, carriers, tactics have moved on, no navy is worth its cost! One $5million missile, can take out a $20 billion carrier! With all the associated aircraft, missiles, men and women, helicopters and associated vessels.... turning to trillions of dollars!
 
I remember reading how Americans allowed hundreds of North Koreans burnt alive women and children, in cave in NK as American soldiers watched on!
But I'm interested, china sent troops to assist Nirth Korea, the facts as I stated are correct, and your arses was well kicked, leaving all the USA bodies on the battlefield where they died, as your troops ran, leaving UK forces high and dry!
You carry on with your Zionist propaganda, one only needs to look at Nirth Koreas history!

But give me a laugh, let me hear how mighty your ships and military were when one rifle for ten men, against all the modern weapons..... the western nations could produce...... and failed miserably..... and only sons of America will be the fodder for the aipac sponsored senators....third world war! But, as you detest America and Americans my german friend of Zion, you won't care..... you never have, unless it's coming to the aid of Israel.

Oh, look.

Another screed that does not address your blatant lie.

Anyone taking North Korean "history" at face value is being foolish.

They have a museum display that lauds the sinking of a US cruiser that never was in Korean waters for example.

And "one rifle for ten men"? Citation?

And AIPAC? They didn't exist until a decade after the Korean War.

Looks like the lies are yours.
 
I see it coming with four years max. Their Navy is now the best in the world I'm told and they will never accept Taiwan as anything other than part of China.

Yeah, you'll need to source the bolded claim a bit better.

Last I knew, they have zero fully functional aircraft carriers, and I'd wager their submarine fleet is lagging in both quantity and quality. Strategically, they have nothing new for MAD, so we'll leave nukes off the table for now.

My impression is that there is no aspect of China's military that the US doesn't outclass, probably by multiple generations of technology in most cases.

Setting aside the hardware, AFAIK China hasn't attacked anyone in a significant military operation since the 50s, whereas we've been in a near perpetual state of war for that entire time. That lack of experience matters.

The way China "wins" a war is to talk their way out of fighting, and using their economic leverage to their advantage. If they 'take" Taiwan it will be because we have agreed to let them have it.

It certainly SHOULD be that way, as that is what we have paid for. Anything less would be a sign we've been ripped off worse than we realized.
 
Oh, look.

Another screed that does not address your blatant lie.

Anyone taking North Korean "history" at face value is being foolish.

They have a museum display that lauds the sinking of a US cruiser that never was in Korean waters for example.

And "one rifle for ten men"? Citation?

And AIPAC? They didn't exist until a decade after the Korean War.

Looks like the lies are yours.
Where did I ever say take anything at face value, rather the opposite from me, my German friend of Zion!

But you hate the fact, hence the deletion of most of my post, most of the time, that the facts contained, resonate with anyone who have the interest of America or the American nation something my german friend of Zion! I thought you'd have your sidekick talking nonsense at me by now!

As for the one rifle ten men, was common knowledge, and mentioned by the BBC when it wasn't the buggering boys club!

Again let's look at my sentence:- "and only sons of America will be the fodder for the aipac sponsored senators....Third World War"
May I mention I'm getting a little fed up you misquoting me, time and time again! At no time did I say AIPAC, had anything to do with the Korean War, but today is instrumental in using Americans sons as fodder for North Korea, Syria, stealing oil and gas, stealing tax payers hard earned cash to set up schools education facilities infrastructure in Israel, destroying Sudan Yemen, Iran China, Russia, missile agreements, JCOPA agreements, and last but not least, Africom! And its butchery, and mass murder!
 
Where did I ever say take anything at face value, rather the opposite from me, my German friend of Zion!

But you hate the fact, hence the deletion of most of my post, most of the time, that the facts contained, resonate with anyone who have the interest of America or the American nation something my german friend of Zion! I thought you'd have your sidekick talking nonsense at me by now!

As for the one rifle ten men, was common knowledge, and mentioned by the BBC when it wasn't the buggering boys club!

Again let's look at my sentence:- "and only sons of America will be the fodder for the aipac sponsored senators....Third World War"
May I mention I'm getting a little fed up you misquoting me, time and time again! At no time did I say AIPAC, had anything to do with the Korean War, but today is instrumental in using Americans sons as fodder for North Korea, Syria, stealing oil and gas, stealing tax payers hard earned cash to set up schools education facilities infrastructure in Israel, destroying Sudan Yemen, Iran China, Russia, missile agreements, JCOPA agreements, and last but not least, Africom! And its butchery, and mass murder!

Another long post invoking Jews while not addressing your lie nor giving citation for your claims....
 
Back
Top Bottom