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[W:122]What did I tell you all about herd immunity??

Paradoxical

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At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Now, here is even MORE proof I was right all along

Drop in Brazilian coronavirus cases prompts herd immunity questions | Fox News
 
Lick those rats, bro! Be right all you want to. Take your message all over the world. But be careful as you travel to the ends of the earth. You might fall over the edge.
 
Nowhere near 60-70% of the population is infected, and no, Paradoxical did not invent the concept of herd immunity. All one had to do is listen to Fauci's various speculations or do a bit of reading.

I'm not sure what the rest of his derpulence is supposed to be about. If you don't mass test you don't have a clue how much of your population has been exposed, aka, where you stand in terms of herd immunity.
 
Lick those rats, bro! Be right all you want to. Take your message all over the world. But be careful as you travel to the ends of the earth. You might fall over the edge.

Why is it you avoid the topic like the plague?
 
Still doubting the great Paradoxical, waiting for facts to come in.
 
Nowhere near 60-70% of the population is infected, and no, Paradoxical did not invent the concept of herd immunity. All one had to do is listen to Fauci's various speculations or do a bit of reading.

I'm not sure what the rest of his derpulence is supposed to be about. If you don't mass test you don't have a clue how much of your population has been exposed, aka, where you stand in terms of herd immunity.

Fauci is an idiot He is the cause of lots of problems with his stupid comments, especially that Cuomo handled this well. That idiot saw deaths going down in New York and thought Cuomo did it when all it is wa herd immunity kicking in. Just like I told all of you so many, many times. Hate to say I told you so but I told you so.

New York and the other neighboring states are now immune because COVID has killed all its gonna kill there.
 
literally a hardcore partisan fighting as hard as he can to prove that a sleazy ass politician didn't **** up our Pandemic response.

does anyone else laugh at his efforts?
 
“ Sweden has the largest number of cases and fatalities in Scandinavia—around 37 000 confirmed cases at the time of writing, compared with its neighbours Denmark, Norway, and Finland which have 12 000, 8000, and 7000 cases, respectively. All three neighbouring countries adopted a lockdown approach early in the pandemic, which they are now slowly lifting. All three have since re-opened their borders, but not to Sweden.

Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths per capita in Europe in a seven day average between 25 May and 2 June. The country’s mortality rate was 5.29 deaths per million inhabitants a day (the UK ranked second with 4.48) according to Our World In Data,2 an online research publication based at the University of Oxford.

And what of herd immunity? An ongoing nationwide study conducted by the Public Health Agency of Sweden on 20 May found that just 7.3% of Stockholm residents had developed covid-19 antibodies by late April—and that was the largest number of positive results found in the country.

“It means that just like other European cities in hard hit countries, it will take a long time before the majority of the population has gone through the infection and are likely immune,” said Tove Fall, professor in epidemiology at Uppsala University...

“I think we’re starting to see that the Swedish model maybe wasn’t the smartest,” said former state epidemiologist Annika Linde in a 19 May interview with newspaper Dagens Nyheter.”
Has Sweden’s controversial covid-19 strategy been successful? | The BMJ
 
Still doubting the great Paradoxical, waiting for facts to come in.

Don't wait too long, they never come. Have you seen his early predictions on the pandemic, look it up if you really want a laugh or cry, whichever.
 
At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Now, here is even MORE proof I was right all along

Drop in Brazilian coronavirus cases prompts herd immunity questions | Fox News

Paradoxical:

Are you a trained doctor or an epidemiologist? I think not. You were wrong, you are wrong and your wrongness will endanger human lives if people believe the foolishness you're peddling here. Between five and forty million Americans have been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen and that exposure has cost the lives of over 175,000 of your fellow citizens. In order to achieve herd immunity with a highly infectious pathogen like the SARS-CoV-2 virion you need a vaccine or you need about 90% of the population to have been infected and recovered from the disease. Right now in America the infection rate is estimated to be between 2%-15% infected. To get to a 90% infection rate, another 875000 will have to die, bringing the death toll to over a million Americans in the best case scenario. Furthermore, there is a growing body of evidence that some people who contract the Covid-19 disease do not necessarily become immune to the SARS-CoV-2 virion, so the basis of your premise, that herd immunity can ever be established in the American (or Swedish) population is in increasing doubt.

Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know - Mayo Clinic

What is Herd Immunity and How Can We Achieve It With COVID-19? - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Learn more and speak less.

Cheers and be well, despite your dangerous speech.
Evilroddy.
 
Don't wait too long, they never come. Have you seen his early predictions on the pandemic, look it up if you really want a laugh or cry, whichever.

:lamo :lamo
 
At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Now, here is even MORE proof I was right all along

Drop in Brazilian coronavirus cases prompts herd immunity questions | Fox News

What I don't understand is what fast food places think they're accomplishing by taping the bag closed.
 
Fauci is an idiot He is the cause of lots of problems with his stupid comments, especially that Cuomo handled this well. That idiot saw deaths going down in New York and thought Cuomo did it when all it is wa herd immunity kicking in. Just like I told all of you so many, many times. Hate to say I told you so but I told you so.

New York and the other neighboring states are now immune because COVID has killed all its gonna kill there.

That's an idiotic statement.
 
At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

That's your assertion, because everyone who has been following the recommendations knows it is a combination of social distancing and usage of masks that help reduce transmission. Thus far, you've only been a contrarian and have not provided anything other than assumptions.

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

You continue to ignore that while Sweden didn't have a government mandated shutdown, people still reduced their activities and followed social distancing guidelines. The northeastern US took more aggressive measures which reduced the exposure by mandating people not go about their normal business. I'm not sure how you can conclude everyone who is going to die has already done so when those restrictions prevented mass spread.

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Would you like the world's smallest violin?


That's not proof at all if you bothered to read the article; there's a lot more to learn before coming to that conclusion.


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At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Now, here is even MORE proof I was right all along

Drop in Brazilian coronavirus cases prompts herd immunity questions | Fox News

No immunity in the northeast. Dedicated mask wearing. Limited and controlled openings. All of this is resulting in a positivity rate of about 0.5%. Even under these conditions, the reopening of schools and fall sports is showing the beginnings of an upward trend.

All because there are people poo pooing the virus and pretending that they know what they are talking about.
 
Paradoxical:

Are you a trained doctor or an epidemiologist? I think not. You were wrong, you are wrong and your wrongness will endanger human lives if people believe the foolishness you're peddling here. Between five and forty million Americans have been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen and that exposure has cost the lives of over 175,000 of your fellow citizens. In order to achieve herd immunity with a highly infectious pathogen like the SARS-CoV-2 virion you need a vaccine or you need about 90% of the population to have been infected and recovered from the disease.

Evilroddy.


Since yours is the first reply post I am seeing this morning, I'll go into a long response to refute your unfounded claims, which are based solely on Goebbelsian news (a lie repeated so often it becomes accepted as fact). For those who follow my postings, you know I have posted on the evolutionary trait of humans believing other humans because they are "in authority", whether those people be parents, teachers, pastors, scientists or government officials. For that matter, the very reason that people get titles is so that they are immediately seen as an "authority figure". Bestowing titles on humans was and is a devious way to command attention, respect and adulation and we have even been taught by those same people to ridicule and lambaste and attack anyone who doesn't bow to them. Your opening salvo was not really for ME because you KNOW that I wouldn't be fazed by your very first sentence ( Are you a trained doctor or an epidemiologist? I think not. You were wrong) It was for your tribe and it was made as a warning to other members of your tribe to not listen to me because I have no initials after my name.

Your post completely ignores the story because that is what you wanted to do. You wanted to divert the attention of your tribe away from the TRUTH and the FACTS and offer your only defense of "Paradoxical is not a doctor or epidemiologist so don't listen to a word he says." What you ignored is that I did not create these set of facts. I have only analyzed them. You ignored and probably didn't read the link that said

"An unexpectedly positive turn for Brazilian cities once plagued with the coronavirus pandemic is raising fresh questions about herd immunity.

A new report in The Washington Post described how the impoverished city of Manaus saw hospitalizations plummet even though it had never imposed a lockdown or taken the other drastic containment measures imposed in Asia and Europe. It's also testing far more residents than it once did. Initially, medical experts believed that between 60% and 70% of the population needed to develop antibodies to reach collective immunity, but Manaus never got past 20%. And the Amazonian city of 2 million suffered three times as many deaths as normal in the spring. Scientists have been studying the possibility that individual variations in vulnerability reduce the ratio of infection at which herd immunity may be achieved. Some, scrutinizing data from European cities, theorize that herd immunity could be reached at rates lower than 20%.

I have never said we should dismiss doctors or those "in authority" out of hand, but we owe it to ourselves as humans to overcome our natural tendencies to to trust "in authority" which is a protective mechanism honed through centuries of evolution because the tribal members were uneducated and unskilled and they had to trust authority or they would die. However, what has happened in the past two-three decades is that we have people pushing agendas and using those "in authority" to lend credence to their beliefs and agenda and those people are the Mainstream News who air 24/7 hate speech against this president and conservatives. The pretty faced anchors get together and consult with the DNC and their own tribal members of anchors and decide which stories to push and, like clockwork, go on the air and in the printed news with the same headlines. Joseph Goebbels was the most evil man in history, possibly even surpassing Adolf Hitler. He was also a socialist. Being evil doesn't mean you are stupid. Matter of fact,most evil people are highly intelligent. He knew how to indoctrinate the masses. The new MSM are pure evil. People like Don Lemon, Brian Steleter,Mika and Joe, The View, all of MSNBC, CNN, WaPo and the NY Ties as well as many others promoting the same lies 24/7. Joseph Goebbels was just one man. We now have in society at least 50 Joseph Goebbels. Their job is to keep people in fear and anger and anxiety.That's how they make their money.
 
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Don't wait too long, they never come. Have you seen his early predictions on the pandemic, look it up if you really want a laugh or cry, whichever.

yeah, what were the titles to those threads early on. we all need to go find them and bump them.
 
Paradoxical:

Are you a trained doctor or an epidemiologist? I think not. You were wrong, you are wrong and your wrongness will endanger human lives if people believe the foolishness you're peddling here. Between five and forty million Americans have been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen and that exposure has cost the lives of over 175,000 of your fellow citizens. In order to achieve herd immunity with a highly infectious pathogen like the SARS-CoV-2 virion you need a vaccine or you need about 90% of the population to have been infected and recovered from the disease. Right now in America the infection rate is estimated to be between 2%-15% infected. To get to a 90% infection rate, another 875000 will have to die, bringing the death toll to over a million Americans in the best case scenario. Furthermore, there is a growing body of evidence that some people who contract the Covid-19 disease do not necessarily become immune to the SARS-CoV-2 virion, so the basis of your premise, that herd immunity can ever be established in the American (or Swedish) population is in increasing doubt.

Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know - Mayo Clinic

What is Herd Immunity and How Can We Achieve It With COVID-19? - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Learn more and speak less.

Cheers and be well, despite your dangerous speech.
Evilroddy.

he doesn't care. he's attempting to use anything he can to re-elect a sleazy crook and con man.

that's his only goal.
 
That's an idiotic statement.

didn't you know that old folks who haven't been infected now have special powers that the dead old folks didn't have.

it's like magic.
 
Oh look another thread where doxie pretends he has a clue.
 
That's an idiotic statement.

The link that I posted suggests the same thing I said a few weeks back. The four states that WERE the highest BY FAR in deaths per million are now having almost none. I guess the article is idiotic too? Do you have any evidence that NY hasn't reached immunity?
 
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