[W:119]AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

[maxparrish]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

Really? look at this year so far... so many have already.

Tester of Montana came from behind to win after the election for senate. … Bill Nelson is coming from behind in FL for a senate seat for a recount.

… Andrew Gillum, governor for FL is heading for a recount due to Florida jumping the gun and declaring Desantis the winner without counting the absentee and provisional ballots. Now it's 0.4% spread. 0.5% spread triggers an auto-recount.​

Another GOP voter scam is exposed. Pushing people off on provisional ballots and then trying to keep provisionals from being counted as usual. They are getting counted this time. And it's biting them in the ass.

Oh please, how is it a GOP voter scam when its the Democratic stronghold counties that are slow walking provisionals and reporting, seemingly waiting to find out how many votes they need to generate to change the outcome?

Democratic corruption is getting pretty obvious by now. Florida law requires counties to report their early voting & vote-by-mail within 30 minutes after polls close, but 43 hours after the polls closed guess who has yet to do so: the two Democrat strongholds of Broward County & Palm Beach County. The two notorious counties of 2000 are still slowly counting and are refusing to disclose how many ballots they have left to count.

So while the hurricane damaged counties had no problem with meeting the legal deadlines, Broward is occasionally releasing dribs and drabs, often late after hours.

Not that following the law or conducting competent elections is a strength in "butterfly ballot" Democratic country. In 2016 Broward County Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes was exposed in court of having ordered the illegal destruction of voters ballots following Congressional race.

So please, we know exactly which counties are up to no good - so muddying it with ludicrous claims about "those Republicans" is not going to work.

 

[poweRob]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

Oh please, how is it a GOP voter scam when its the Democratic stronghold counties that are slow walking provisionals and reporting, seemingly waiting to find out how many votes they need to generate to change the outcome?

Democratic corruption is getting pretty obvious by now. Florida law requires counties to report their early voting & vote-by-mail within 30 minutes after polls close, but 43 hours after the polls closed guess who has yet to do so: the two Democrat strongholds of Broward County & Palm Beach County. The two notorious counties of 2000 are still slowly counting and are refusing to disclose how many ballots they have left to count.

So while the hurricane damaged counties had no problem with meeting the legal deadlines, Broward is occasionally releasing dribs and drabs, often late after hours.

Not that following the law or conducting competent elections is a strength in "butterfly ballot" Democratic country. In 2016 Broward County Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes was exposed in court of having ordered the illegal destruction of voters ballots following Congressional race.

So please, we know exactly which counties are up to no good - so muddying it with ludicrous claims about "those Republicans" is not going to work.

Votes are being counted. You have a problem with that. So you and the rest of the paranoid GOP fabricate, with absolutely no evidence claims of voter fraud to attempt to keep votes from being counted.

GOP simply can't win fair elections.

 

[calamity]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

Votes are being counted. You have a problem with that. So you and the rest of the paranoid GOP fabricate, with absolutely no evidence claims of voter fraud to attempt to keep votes from being counted.

GOP simply can't win fair elections.

Of course R's have a problem with votes being counted. They have been very active in trying to make sure they are not.

 

[Aberration]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

Votes are being counted. You have a problem with that. So you and the rest of the paranoid GOP fabricate, with absolutely no evidence claims of voter fraud to attempt to keep votes from being counted.

GOP simply can't win fair elections.

Define fair. Because last time I checked, ‘fair’ was determined by the law. The one which has time requirements to report. There is no reason to disregard the law when Democrats are not being transparent.

 

[brothern]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

It looks like Florida is shifting Blue too. Funny how they never count all the D votes until two or three days later. Same thing happened with Hillary, IIRC. A week after the election, she picked up a million votes.

California was counting 8.5 million mail-in ballots.

 

[poweRob]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

Define fair. Because last time I checked, ‘fair’ was determined by the law. The one which has time requirements to report. There is no reason to disregard the law when Democrats are not being transparent.

How are dems not being transparent? Seems you are asserting something you couldn't possibly know because saying so supports your conspiracy theory notions that would help to stop counting actual votes.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

I don't think the counting is done but it's remarkable how all these "spare" ballots trend differently than the ones cast at the polls or sent in early do.

I haven't seen figures by precinct or by county yet but in prior elections I've seen Pima county "spare" ballots trend 80% Democrat when in every other county the trend has been pretty much in line with "regular" votes.

Looks like the Broward County, Florida Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes has had the same problems, except she seems to have gotten caught and may do jail time.

Forgot to say this, she's a Democrat, and the "additional" ballots trend heavily Democrat, and the ballots that need to be reviewed seem to get "interpreted" as Democrat as well.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/something-looks-weird-in-broward-county-heres-what-we-know-about-a-possible-florida-recount/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/09/after-trump-scott-cry-fraud-critics-pounce-broward-countys-troubled-election-history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.34e67af027df

Amazing how that happens. No election fraud though, unless it's Russia or GOP. Gotta remember that...

 

[maxparrish]

Re: AZ Senate likely to go Democrat

Votes are being counted. You have a problem with that. So you and the rest of the paranoid GOP fabricate, with absolutely no evidence claims of voter fraud to attempt to keep votes from being counted.

GOP simply can't win fair elections.

I don't have a problem with counting the votes of registered and legal voters, Democrats and Republicans did so under fair systems (outside of Chicago and a few Democratic urban machines) for decades because they used disciplined rules and requirements without the complications of provisional (or before that absentee) ballots… at least until the hysterical mantra over "counting every real or imagined vote" started.

And we all know what fairness is: everyone plays by the same rules, and the scoring is undisputed and not left up to the refs (or worse yet, politicking the refs). The rules don't change in the middle of the game, nor do they and scoring change after the game. Nor do they change depending on who you are playing or what town you are visiting. To those not deluded by partisanship that has always been thought of as fair.

Yet, under modern election systems, the presumption is that refs (judges) change the rules during and after the game. Presumptively ineligible players can take to the field and make "provisional goals" for the home team. And how those goals are counted change from elections board to elections board, requiring full auditing for some, and virtually no checking for others (rejection of provisional ballots range from 50 percent to 0 percent).

The "player" who is prima facia unregistered, or can't remember that he/she registered at Mom and Dad's house scores "provisionally" once or twice. The player who doesn't check his mail or falsely claims he asked for an absentee vote, or who will vote twice, is handed a ballot. Those who can't remember where they lived or how to spell their name, they too are given a ballot. And then when the polls close (which may be later than the rules) the Ajax County election board has the impossible task of verifying 550,000 ballots as to which are legal, and which are not or are double voting (in or out of district).

To say nothing of felons and illegals voting, the whole system is begging for abuse and indifferent verification.

So yes, the GOP can win fair elections - however, they are finding it increasingly difficult to win elections in which, under any other human endeavor, would be considered unfair.

It is sad to note that Americans seem to have more concern for fairness in the ritual of a football game than they do in the ritual of sacred voting.

 

[PirateMk1]

AZ Secretary of State now shows McSally down by over 2,000 votes.

Yesterday McSally was ahead by 17,000 votes but 600,000 provisional and early ballots were sitting there uncounted (half were dropped off on Tuesday). In a shocking (not really) turn of events all those mail in ballots and provisional ballots trended more heavily to Sinema than McSally.

I'm trying to think of an election where all those leftover ballots trended Republican but I can't think of any.

-edit-

Sorry, forgot the link - https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/4/0

Keep in mind that the linked page will update on occasion so when you look the results might show different than what I have above.

Don't they have to confirm the eligibility of the provisional ballots?

 

[maxparrish]

Don't they have to confirm the eligibility of the provisional ballots?

They should but they often don't. Can you imagine the resources it would take to verify 1/2 million prospective ballots by pouring through alternate county registrations (as well as their own), figuring out if they double voted, if they are illegal or felons, etc.?

So some election boards rubber stamp with a 100% approval rate, others who try to verify signatures (and the like) end up with as low as a 50% approval rate. Its a god-damned mess and travesty of what used to be a carefully guarded right to fully free and countable elections.

Combine that with judges that ignore plain election laws, election deadlines, and specified recount procedures you can't have anything approaching a fair election - its whoever can game the system, the judges, the politics, and the press the best.

 

[beefheart]

More votes released, Sinema increases her lead to 20,203 votes. Pima county votes haven't been added in yet tonite, those should break for Sinema.

 

[Lutherf]

More votes released, Sinema increases her lead to 20,203 votes. Pima county votes haven't been added in yet tonite, those should break for Sinema.

Pima County will be a blowout for Sinema. The Democrat mail in numbers down here trend damned near 70% Democrat. Early ballots mailed before the deadline and in person votes usually go 55-45 Republican but late mail ins are almost all Democrat.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

They should but they often don't. Can you imagine the resources it would take to verify 1/2 million prospective ballots by pouring through alternate county registrations (as well as their own), figuring out if they double voted, if they are illegal or felons, etc.?

So some election boards rubber stamp with a 100% approval rate, others who try to verify signatures (and the like) end up with as low as a 50% approval rate. Its a god-damned mess and travesty of what used to be a carefully guarded right to fully free and countable elections.

Combine that with judges that ignore plain election laws, election deadlines, and specified recount procedures you can't have anything approaching a fair election - its whoever can game the system, the judges, the politics, and the press the best.

provisional ballots simply need to be ended.

The only reason you need a provisional ballot is if you didn't take voting seriously enough to be registered on time.

 

[Lutherf]

provisional ballots simply need to be ended.

The only reason you need a provisional ballot is if you didn't take voting seriously enough to be registered on time.

The odd thing about this is that in person and early votes are roughly 50/50, tending sightly Republican. Late mail ins, however, VERY heavily favor Democrats. It's a little fishy if you ask me.

 

[calamity]

The odd thing about this is that in person and early votes are roughly 50/50, tending sightly Republican. Late mail ins, however, VERY heavily favor Democrats. It's a little fishy if you ask me.

It was explained. Phoenix and Tuscon are heavy mail in areas. And, cities always tend to lean Democrat.