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[W: #105] [#181] Ten killed in shooting near LA after Lunar New Year event

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Shooting continues to be the leading cause of death among American children, higher than car accidents or medical causes. No other industrial nation has firearms in the top five, let alone first. This is not a place America wants to be first. You have a serious gun problem.
Sort of misleading, while true to the only two causes you mention it ignores the totality.
While accidents in general remain the most common cause of death in youth, for those ages 1 to 24 years, death due to gun violence and accidental injury are now more common than death due to motor vehicle accidents.

 

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Shooting continues to be the leading cause of death among American children, higher than car accidents or medical causes. No other industrial nation has firearms in the top five, let alone first. This is not a place America wants to be first. You have a serious gun problem.

No, we have a serious crime problem, spurred largely by violent street gangs wrangling for local control of the drug trade. Taking or regulating guns possessed by law-abiding citizens won’t do a thing to address this problem.
 

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No, we have a serious crime problem, spurred largely by violent street gangs wrangling for local control of the drug trade. Taking or regulating guns possessed by law-abiding citizens won’t do a thing to address this problem.
Nothing else works. Where do the criminals get the guns but from "law abiding citizens" (who don't)?
 

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Every firearm that is used in a crime was manufactured legally, and sold legally at least once.

There is no such thing as an illegal gun, they were all sold legally at least once.
So what is your point? That criminals steal things that aren't theirs? Thanks Captain Obvious. Don't start down that road of blaming legal possessors for having their firearms stolen. There is a thread for that somewhere in the ether here. If you don't agree with the term "illegal gun", fine. What people mean by that is a "illegally possessed" gun. Semantics........
 

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Nothing else works. Where do the criminals get the guns but from "law abiding citizens" (who don't)?
They get the guns a number of ways. By stealing them, buying off of the black market, or by knowing someone who may be a criminal, but has never been caught therefore has no criminal record and so can participate in a straw purchase.
 

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So what is your point? That criminals steal things that aren't theirs? Thanks Captain Obvious. Don't start down that road of blaming legal possessors for having their firearms stolen. There is a thread for that somewhere in the ether here. If you don't agree with the term "illegal gun", fine. What people mean by that is a "illegally possessed" gun. Semantics........
Should we be blaming the gun instead? ;) Seriously, who should get the blame when guns are left loaded and laying around unsecured for children, or thieves, to find? Where do these unsecured stolen guns end up? Legal possessors can and will be blamed for being irresponsible, though legal, gun owners.
 

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You may deny it, but reality differs.

(Cue tortuous redefinition of terms)

I deny it, because it's demonstrably false. Your citation goes up to age 24, and starts at age 1. Had you not been dishonest, you would show stats of actual children, from birth up to age 18. So, when you claimed gun deaths is the leading cause of death for children, you were lying.
 

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Oh, no doubt, and I didn’t mean to imply they didn’t. My point was, while we’re, of course concerned about the decay in the larger American society, one benefit of not living in a crime-ridden city is we have time to worry and reflect about the small stuff and just have fun living.



Actually, they held a New Orleans-style second line funeral and celebration of life event for him. It turned into a big, downtown parade and block party. He even made news in Britain and around the world, probably because we did give a shit about a dead rooster even though we still love our Popeye’s Louisiana Fried Chicken.

That must've been some rooster. Did he get a small statue in the town square like George Floyd did?
 

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My cousin who dropped out of high school can make meth with stuff from Wal-mart.

It's pathetic to compare that to the manufacture of firearms.
Your cousin should be incarcerated without parole for contributing to the deaths of stupid people who will try anything for a 'high'.
The former president of the Philippines would have had him executing without question a few years ago.
Arlevah's post makes a lot of sense. Eventually, people will realize that is what we will need in this country to show the Progressives they are idiots when it comes to crime and drugs.
 

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Your cousin should be incarcerated without parole for contributing to the deaths of stupid people who will try anything for a 'high'.
The former president of the Philippines would have had him executing without question a few years ago.
Arlevah's post makes a lot of sense. Eventually, people will realize that is what we will need in this country to show the Progressives they are idiots when it comes to crime and drugs.
If you want to find high per capita crime....look for a red state
 

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Call the Christian God a "she" and watch how quickly Trumpers care about pronouns.
Does anyone really care if the Christian god is a male or female.?
A Supreme Being does not need a gender.
As Hillary would say: "At this point, what difference does it make?"

PS: I am not a religious person.
 

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No, we have a serious crime problem, spurred largely by violent street gangs wrangling for local control of the drug trade. Taking or regulating guns possessed by law-abiding citizens won’t do a thing to address this problem.

Has the USA always had a "serious crime spurred by violent street gangs wrangling for local control of the gun trade?" Seems like Pew demonstrate that gun crime as a proportion of the population has stayed remarkably stable over the last 50-60 years at least. The high peak is late 70's into the 80's


On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974.

 

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Nothing else works. Where do the criminals get the guns but from "law abiding citizens" (who don't)?

We have a lot of dreamers in this forum. 🙄

Mexico has ONE gun store in the country, but 30,000-plus homicides annually. Yes, many of the weapons used criminally in Mexico originated in the U.S., but a large percentage did not. Colombian drug cartels managed to get fully-automatic weapons, and so have the Mexicans. No one just walks into an American gun store and walks out with heavy machine guns and grenade launchers to send to Mexico. In some cases they’ve been better equipped than the Mexican army.

These cartels have infected every major city in the United States, and with tens of billions of dollars at stake every year, these guys are going to get their guns.
 

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Has the USA always had a "serious crime spurred by violent street gangs wrangling for local control of the gun trade?" Seems like Pew demonstrate that gun crime as a proportion of the population has stayed remarkably stable over the last 50-60 years at least. The high peak is late 70's into the 80's


So guns are up but crime is down, so let’s ban guns! I can see how that would make perfect sense to a liberal. 😆

To answer your question, yeah, I would say most violent crime in this country in recent decades has involved drug distribution at the street level to one degree or another, whether we’re talking about heroin and marijuana in the ‘70s, cocaine and marijuana in the ‘80’s and’90s, or pretty much everything—marijuana, heroin, meth, opioids, fentanyl—ever since.
 

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So guns are up but crime is down, so let’s ban guns! I can see how that would make perfect sense to a liberal. 😆

To answer your question, yeah, I would say most violent crime in this country in recent decades has involved drug distribution at the street level to one degree or another, whether we’re talking about heroin and marijuana in the ‘70s, cocaine and marijuana in the ‘80’s and’90s, or pretty much everything—marijuana, heroin, meth, opioids, fentanyl—ever since.
Actually gun deaths are up
 

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Actually gun deaths are up

Recently, yes, but he was referring to the longer-term trend. Overall, he’s correct in noting that violent crime has trended down from the chaos of the 1970s and ‘80s. Los Angeles had Bloods battling Crips, and Miami had Colombian enforcers shooting each other with MAC-10s illegally modified to fire full auto. The common denominator: control of the drug trade. This orgy of violence took place across the country as these criminal organizations spread their tentacles.
 
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