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Vox Co-Founder: "Anybody should be allowed to run for President"

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Immigrants, young people, and everyone else should be allowed to run.

The constitutional prohibition on people under the age of 35 serving as president is just one of these weird lacuna that was handed down to us from the 18th century but that nobody would seriously propose creating today if not for status quo bias. Realistically, most people that young would simply have a hard time winning an election. But if you can pull it off, you should be allowed. And I kind of think Alexandria Ocasio Cortez should run for president.

We should fix the Constitution ASAP.

Immigrants, like 20-somethings, are constitutionally barred from serving. At the time this was in the news, almost nobody actually defended the prohibition (because it’s ridiculous), but nobody in politics lifted a finger to do anything about it. In part, that was laziness, but in part, it was too clear any change would specifically benefit Schwarzenegger — something neither Democrats nor right-wingers really wanted to do.

The process of amending the Constitution is extremely cumbersome, requiring both supermajorities in Congress and ratification by a staggering 75 percent of the states. But there’s no time like the present to start working to abolish arbitrary qualifications and letting any eligible voter run for president any time he or she wants to.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/12/18134945/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-president

It's no surprise that the left hates American standards for who we allow to run for office. They've always been quasi patriotic, but mostly hate America and its institutions. Which is why I research the backgrounds of such people who blatantly want to irrevocably change how we do things.

Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

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https://www.vox.com/authors/matthew-yglesias

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Yglesias
 

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I won't vouch for everything that the person said in the article, certainly this statement:

There’s nothing wrong with old people per se, but essentially everyone has lost a step or two both mentally and physically by their mid-70s.

That's not always true, bit ageist in my opinion.

But having said that, what would be wrong with a citizen, that happens to be younger than 35 and who is an immigrant, running for office?

Would it be so bad?

If that's what people MAY want as their Leader, shouldn't it be up to the people to decide?

I mean America did elect a person with a mental age well below 35, so it isn't a stretch to elect someone who is actually, physically under the age of 35.

And there is no evidence whatsoever, to suggest that inherently someone would be a better President simply because they, by chance, happened to come out of a *****, screaming within American territory, there's no reason why an immigrant with citizenship status shouldn't be able to run... After all, there can be greater zeal in a convert.
 

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I won't vouch for everything that the person said in the article, certainly this statement:



That's not always true, bit ageist in my opinion.

But having said that, what would be wrong with a citizen, that happens to be younger than 35 and who is an immigrant, running for office?

Would it be so bad?

If that's what people MAY want as their Leader, shouldn't it be up to the people to decide?

I mean America did elect a person with a mental age well below 35, so it isn't a stretch to elect someone who is actually, physically under the age of 35.

And there is no evidence whatsoever, to suggest that inherently someone would be a better President simply because they, by chance, happened to come out of a *****, screaming within American territory, there's no reason why an immigrant with citizenship status shouldn't be able to run... After all, there can be greater zeal in a convert.

I somewhat get the age limit (at least in the past), but not the immigrant part. This country has a long history of immigrants making the country better, and immigrants moreso than not have contributed to making this country's greatest innovations or scientific breakthroughs. I'm a huge advocate of updating a 200+ year old document, but there's little will power in the country to do that currently. In a few decades however, we will probably see some drastic changes to it once my generation takes over the political landscape. We are sick of the old guard politics.
 

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It's no surprise that the left hates American standards for who we allow to run for office. They've always been quasi patriotic, but mostly hate America and its institutions. Which is why I research the backgrounds of such people who blatantly want to irrevocably change how we do things.

Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

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https://www.vox.com/authors/matthew-yglesias

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Yglesias

Historically, the ban on immigrants in the constitution was to keep Alexander Hamilton from being president. Today, there are numerous otherwise qualified immigrants who are loyal citizens. As we have learned, being a native born citizen is no guarantee that a president would not be sympathetic to a hostile foreign power. Suggesting that anyone pointing out that fact is unpatriotic is unpatriotic itself.

What does Matthew Yglesias’ heritage matter?
 

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It's no surprise that the left hates American standards for who we allow to run for office. They've always been quasi patriotic, but mostly hate America and its institutions. Which is why I research the backgrounds of such people who blatantly want to irrevocably change how we do things.

Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

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https://www.vox.com/authors/matthew-yglesias

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Yglesias

I'm missing your whole point. You bring up qualifications for President and your argument against it is 1) liberals suck, and 2) Yglesias, who is native born, has immigrant grandparents, three of them Jewish.

Those aren't arguments. So why do you oppose letting the voters decide on qualifications?

Just for example, this is a big reason why the birther nonsense never mattered to me. Let's assume Obama was born in Kenya. He wasn't of course, but why would I care or why would anyone else care? If you didn't like him as President, where he was born should have been irrelevant, and why would I oppose him because he merely spent almost all his life here in the U.S. More to the point, I know some people very well who were born in the U.S. and spent virtually their entire childhood (minus summers, etc.) abroad. One of them was born here but moved abroad when she was less than a month old, and spent the next 10 years or so in various countries. They're eligible. Why not someone born in England and who moved her at 16, became a citizen and 40 years later wants to be POTUS?
 
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It's no surprise that the left hates American standards for who we allow to run for office. They've always been quasi patriotic, but mostly hate America and its institutions. Which is why I research the backgrounds of such people who blatantly want to irrevocably change how we do things.

Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

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https://www.vox.com/authors/matthew-yglesias

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Yglesias

I don't support that idea at all. But please, don't let it deter you from your mission to paint "radical leftists". (aka ALL people in the Democratic Party according to TAAC)

I'm still wondering about that crisis of conscience you suffered a few months ago, wherein you pledged not to act like such a vindictive ass from now on. I guess all that is forgotten.

Yes, WE LEFTISTS want Muslim terrorists from ISIS to run for POTUS. When's Abu-bakr al Baghdadi going to announce?
We the RADICAL LEFTISTS HATE AMERICA!!

Keep telling those whoppers, it helps your credibility, said NO ONE EVER.
 

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Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

So in other words you are trying to discredit him based on his ethnic background, I imagine specifically his Jewish ancestry. Why don't you take your blatant white supremacy and antisemitism elsewhere.
 

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I don't support that idea at all. But please, don't let it deter you from your mission to paint "radical leftists". (aka ALL people in the Democratic Party according to TAAC)

I'm still wondering about that crisis of conscience you suffered a few months ago, wherein you pledged not to act like such a vindictive ass from now on. I guess all that is forgotten.

Yes, WE LEFTISTS want Muslim terrorists from ISIS to run for POTUS. When's Abu-bakr al Baghdadi going to announce?
We the RADICAL LEFTISTS HATE AMERICA!!

Keep telling those whoppers, it helps your credibility, said NO ONE EVER.

From his post he seems to have more of a problem with Jews becoming president.
 

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Historically, the ban on immigrants in the constitution was to keep Alexander Hamilton from being president. Today, there are numerous otherwise qualified immigrants who are loyal citizens. As we have learned, being a native born citizen is no guarantee that a president would not be sympathetic to a hostile foreign power. Suggesting that anyone pointing out that fact is unpatriotic is unpatriotic itself.

What does Matthew Yglesias’ heritage matter?

This is incorrect. Hamilton was eligible to be president.

The ban on immigrants was to make sure of loyalty to the country and to prevent an easy take over by another country
 

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Anyone who is a socialist democrat or sympathetic democrat? Right? I don’t believe that because if anyone would be considered republicans democrats or socialist losers!
 

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I don’t think we should lower the age. If you are going to be made the most powerful person in the world then I think you need some life experience. If I had to choose between lowering the age limit and increasing it I would be in favor of increasing it to at least 40. I even think we need more requirements, like being able to qualify for a security clearance.

I do think that naturalized citizens should be eligible to run for President assuming they have been a citizen for a significant period of time, like 20 years or so.
 

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Maybe anyone 'should' be allowed, but the problem is if the voters choose 'just anyone' like some buffoonish TV reality host who can't tie his own laces....oh, wait.
 

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Vox Co-Founder: "Anybody should be allowed to run for President"
Well, I disagree with that conclusion.
  • Age --> I wouldn't have a 20-something run my firm or my household. Why the hell, outside of incredibly extraordinary circumstances, would I condone one running something as complex as the US gov't. There're certain qualities of experience, character and knowledge that one can only obtain by dint of time's passage. I prefer that nobody bereft of those qualities be POTUS.
  • Mode of citizenship acquisition --> I can acquiesce to citizens who immigrated to the US early enough in their lives that they only culture they know "from birth," so to speak, is US culture. The notion that an adult (or near enough to it that one's cultural mores and values aren't wholly American) immigrant to the US who as an adult obtained his/her citizenship should be eligible to be POTUS doesn't work for me. I might be persuaded to conclude differently on this, but I don't imagine so.
    • African-American adult raised in the US --> A person who, culturally, is wholly American.
    • Native-American adult raised in the US --> A person who, culturally, is wholly American.
    • Chinese-American adult raised in the US --> A person who, culturally, is wholly American.
    • Italian-American adult raised in the US --> A person who, culturally, is wholly American.
    • American-African adult raised in Ghana --> A person who, culturally, is wholly Ghanan, and who has adopted America as his/her new home country and who has agreed to ascribe to US laws and accord his/her primary fealty to the US.
    • American-Chinese adult raised in China --> A person who, culturally, is wholly Chinese, and who has adopted America as his/her new home country and who has agreed to ascribe to US laws and accord his/her primary fealty to the US.
    • American-Italian adult raised in Italy --> A person who, culturally, is wholly Italian, and who has adopted America as his/her new home country and who has agreed to ascribe to US laws and accord his/her primary fealty to the US.
America can facilely absorb, or at least forbear, elements of other cultures, but the ability to do so is part of what distinguishes US culture from every other one on the planet. For instance, but not limited to:​


  • [*=1]American culture is what inculcates us to value the separation of church and state, thus giving us no official religion.
    [*=1]American culture doesn't have a federally mandated language because our culture is welcoming, yet American English readily absorbs terms from other languages.
    [*=1]The US' culture creates a contentious relationship between economic socialism and laissez-faire.
    [*=1]US culture abjures a formal social class structure, yet there are social classes in America.
That's what US culture is -- a continually tenuous and constantly changing balance among "all sorts of things." I think if one didn't, practically from birth, grow up in the US, one cannot understand the discordant, cacophonous and harmonious balance and timbre of US culture.​
 

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Maybe anyone 'should' be allowed, but the problem is if the voters choose 'just anyone' like some buffoonish TV reality host who can't tie his own laces....oh, wait.
Daaaaaang... that was ever so clever.

Graduated to velcro yet, have ya? Or still just doing the flip flops and slip ons?
 

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This is incorrect. Hamilton was eligible to be president.

The ban on immigrants was to make sure of loyalty to the country and to prevent an easy take over by another country
Hamilton was born on the Caribbean island of Nevis, which isn’t in the U.S., and therefore made him ineligible to be president.
 

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Hamilton was born on the Caribbean island of Nevis, which isn’t in the U.S., and therefore made him ineligible to be president.

Read the constitution

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
 

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I won't vouch for everything that the person said in the article, certainly this statement:



That's not always true, bit ageist in my opinion.

But having said that, what would be wrong with a citizen, that happens to be younger than 35 and who is an immigrant, running for office?

Would it be so bad?

If that's what people MAY want as their Leader, shouldn't it be up to the people to decide?

I mean America did elect a person with a mental age well below 35, so it isn't a stretch to elect someone who is actually, physically under the age of 35.

And there is no evidence whatsoever, to suggest that inherently someone would be a better President simply because they, by chance, happened to come out of a *****, screaming within American territory, there's no reason why an immigrant with citizenship status shouldn't be able to run... After all, there can be greater zeal in a convert.

I'm nominating my 5 week old granddaughter for President. Anyone not with me is a bigot.
 

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Read the constitution

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
That view isn't as clear-cut as one may seem, as written about in this article from the Columbia Law School, which states that his citizenship under the Articles of the Confederation are ambiguous.

Hamilton became a citizen on July 4, 1776, but nobody was in the room when it happened.

But according to that writing, I am wrong, the motive in the constitution was not to disqualify Hamilton.
 

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Daaaaaang... that was ever so clever.

Graduated to velcro yet, have ya? Or still just doing the flip flops and slip ons?

1. Discuss the issues, not me. Every time.

2. Or to put it another way, we can open up the field to just anyone but that leaves open the possibility of an unqualified populist running and getting in, then flailing about because they don't really know what to do in government. It's democratic, but is it smart?

3. As for nationality and age requirements, I don't see what's wrong with a naturalized citizen. Schwarzenegger might have run after his governorship if it had been possible and he wouldn't have been incompetent. The electorate might be less likely to go with an accent though.

4. Age? it's 35 at the moment which is fairly young. It's unlikely someone would come out of the blue at 25 and pick up a following among voters of all age groups. It is possible that they could get into congress in their late twenties and early thirties and build up the chops to run, but they'd be near enough 35 by then anyway, so I dunno.
 
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I'm nominating my 5 week old granddaughter for President. Anyone not with me is a bigot.

No, we'd say you're free of course to nominate her but that voters are capable of figuring out that a 5 month old isn't qualified.

If such a person had a chance at winning, our problems are far, far, far greater than the constitutional requirements for the job have been removed or relaxed.
 

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It's no surprise that the left hates American standards for who we allow to run for office. They've always been quasi patriotic, but mostly hate America and its institutions. Which is why I research the backgrounds of such people who blatantly want to irrevocably change how we do things.

Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

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https://www.vox.com/authors/matthew-yglesias

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Yglesias


:lamo Respectfully, you guys elected Donald Trump as your president. You can no longer claim to have standards and expect to be believed.
 

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I'm nominating my 5 week old granddaughter for President. Anyone not with me is a bigot.

Agreed. I expect she'd do at least as good a job as your current president, so why not.
 

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1. Discuss the issues, not me. Every time.

2. Or to put it another way, we can open up the field to just anyone but that leaves open the possibility of an unqualified populist running and getting in, then flailing about because they don't really know what to do in government. It's democratic, but is it smart?

3. As for nationality and age requirements, I don't see what's wrong with a naturalized citizen. Schwarzenegger might have run after his governorship if it had been possible and he wouldn't have been incompetent. The electorate might be less likely to go with an accent though.

4. Age? it's 35 at the moment which is fairly young. It's unlikely someone would come out of the blue at 25 and pick up a following among voters of all age groups. It is possible that they could get into congress in their late twenties and early thirties and build up the chops to run, but they'd be near enough 35 by then anyway, so I dunno.
Dood dood dood...

You went juvenile with the shoestrings comment, I merely try to adjust my game to my specific adversary here... with such little to help you offer yourselves on the other side of the arguments, I don't want to want to overwhelm you, so I often play to y'alls speed... slow so slow and slower.

As regarding democracy, or a republic in our case, it has proven highly successful that we got rid of almost the very most we could of the pols and regular ongoing mistake makers... at least in the executive branch. Baby steps, hard to go cold turkey so need to cook a few overripe turkeys and get some new, outside the beltway blood in there, revive a dying system.

Trump was the needed defibrillator, the necessary electric shock to just such a system devoid of a more American centric consciousness and to that of its originally agreed upon and proper purposes.

The economy has responded brilliantly, as have our enemies been put on alert as to a renewed vigor in our system. We are awake again, out of our liberal induced coma. Fighting again to survive. Military getting a necessary new blood infusion, the cancer sores identified, getting removed, cut out. Strengthen the insides, salves and tourniquets put on the other afflicted parts, the initial examination of just how bad it was necessary for the diagnosis and agreement with the prescribed treatment, the saneness as to the way forward.

If you wanna go that way regarding citizenship and elections, have at it. Need to amend the constitution is all. Go for it if you feel so passionate, see if you can persuade enough of us to weather that hard, smart founders intelligent process.

Knock yourself out.

I am fine with the age requirement as stands, altho with the liberal education taking so many years, individuals so long these days that folks don't get to grow up, get any true life experience until far after they graduate university, later and later, saddled with more and more debt so even further still, less likely getting at doing those adult things like careers, affording, having children and owning their own homes, etc...
 

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Agreed. I expect she'd do at least as good a job as your current president, so why not.

Well, compared to that sweet little PM of yours, our guy is far more adult AND manly... as men should generally, by nature, be. Yano?

Don't you think Justine would look good, maybe better, truer to self in pig tails? Maybe he could model one of the fat lady's pantsuits. You know, from when she was much younger, thinner, more feminine
:lamo

Maybe when PMed over there he could maybe even run but never get elected in the US of A. Yano #2? :lamo:2wave:
 
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