Voter fraud = right wing myth.

[davidtaylorjr]

Voter fraud is so rare that NC has only 3 cases in ten years yet they voted to disenfranchise thousands of voters because of an almost non existant crime. In FL Rick Scott has made it harder to vote for tens of thousands because of 128 cases of voter fraud in 20 years in a state of 20 million. I ask you which is worse. A few cases of voter fraus or making it harder to vote for thousands? We all really know what the GOP is doing while hiding under the fake law and order attitude. Attacking liberal voters by making it harder to vote. I thought the GOP was against the government sticking its nose in our business. I guess not when it serves their purpose.

Um, did you see the news about Ohio this last year? One woman voted was it 17 times?

 

[CalGun]

I completely disagree since the context is we don't need to do anything and should allow criminals to walk in and cast ballots without identification. No it is sincerely true. Liberals / progressives / leftists whatever you want to call them promote voter fraud by crying racisim and foul anytime anyone tries to stop it.

Saying it does not exist is not defending it.

 

[WCH]

Um, did you see the news about Ohio this last year? One woman voted was it 17 times?

We have multiple illegal aliens using the same stolen IDs all over this country. No one is cross referencing to know how many times they vote using those IDs.

 

[soot]

You shouldn't have to pay for electoral rights. And no, not even 8$.

So it's okay that I have to pay for rights that are clearly enumerated (to keep and bear arms), or that I have to pay for other enumerated rights on a means-tested basis (an attorney), but I should receive privileges (that we call "rights" but which aren't strictly enumerated as rights) free and clear?

Ummm...okay.

I think it's bull****, but I get what you're saying (better to pay for the IDs out of the public till and win the war rather than fight, and maybe even win, and idiological battle while losing the war).

You make a fair criticism in terms of actually getting something done.

 

[rocket88]

You should be for it as a state's right. It's the FedGov who's always stuck their noses where they don't (Constitutionally) belong.

I don't know how someone can exist in this modern world without a photo ID of some sort. I know I couldn't. No way!

I don't know how either, but somehow people manage to live in ways that I didn't think possible all the time. They have a right to vote, and for the most part there is little to no requirement to have a photo ID if you don't drive or buy certain things.

Both parties make the assumption that those without ID are going to vote one way, and that's why they line up the way they do. If the Republican party thought those people voted Republican, they'd be the ones fighting it.

 

[rocket88]

Um, did you see the news about Ohio this last year? One woman voted was it 17 times?

One person breaking the law should not mean that 100 people who don't should be prevented from exercising their right.

A voter ID law won't stop you if you are intent on committing fraud anymore than a gun control law will stop someone who is intent on a shooting spree.

 

[opendebate]

Oh dear God. You gave me a 13s video on some random moron saying that Voter ID laws will win PA for Romney. That's it. No explanation how. No explanation why.

Dude. Did you read what I wrote? How does it discriminate. Give me reasons how does it discriminate. HOW. I can't for the likes of me think in 1 way in which ID cards discriminate against voters. I just.. I just can't. Here. I will copy what I wrote again, do try and explain to me logically, HOW it will disenfrachize people and the poor.
Here's my comment again:

Please explain to me how are you making it harder to vote by the thousands? Explain to me like I explained to you. Explain like I'm five the following things:

1. How will it make it harder for people to vote by the thousands
2. How does it target liberals.

This is what I was saying so you don't get confused. Respond to the 2 questions based on this:

"
What's so wrong with state-issued ID, free of charge, paid for from the current budget, no tax hikes, for everybody.

You are now 13 and 11 months and 29 days. The next day you become 14. You celebrate your birthday. Then next week, you go to the police station. You stay a bit in line, you go in a room. You get your picture taken by a nice policeman. Then you go outside that room and you're handed a piece of plastic with your picture on it and some data, like your name and where you live.

And everybody gets it because he is a citizen and it's paid for by the current taxes. No extra cost. How the hell is it targetting liberal voters? It's targetting EVERYBODY. Not to mention that if you're politically involved at 14, you should re-examine your priorities in life.

And when you're 24 you do it all again. Then when you're 34, etc."

Yeah, I'll give you that one. I was being a little lazy. I will find some real information and respond again.

 

[Rainman05]

So it's okay that I have to pay for rights that are clearly enumerated (to keep and bear arms), or that I have to pay for other enumerated rights on a means-tested basis (an attorney), but I should receive privileges (that we call "rights" but which aren't strictly enumerated as rights) free and clear?

Ummm...okay.

I think it's bull****, but I get what you're saying (better to pay for the IDs out of the public till and win the war rather than fight, and maybe even win, and idiological battle while losing the war).

You make a fair criticism in terms of actually getting something done.

Your most powerful tool in maintaining a good and efficient government is not a gun, but a vote in the hands of an informed voter.

If guns would be a state industry, so if the government would nationalize the gun industry, then sure, you should not have to pay for a gun. But since it's a private company, guns are a commodity whom you have the right to purchase. I'm sure you can appreciate the difference between votes and guns from this point. As such, ID cards should be free of charge. If you pay taxes, you get a state issued ID and so do you kids and everybody.

 

[Rainman05]

Yeah, I'll give you that one. I was being a little lazy. I will find some real information and respond again.

Ok... so then why are you against them if you have no information to support your position. Partisanship is a tool politicians use to justify their incompetence. It doesn't bode well for society if the citizenry is divided among partisan lines.

 

[WCH]

I don't know how either, but somehow people manage to live in ways that I didn't think possible all the time. They have a right to vote, and for the most part there is little to no requirement to have a photo ID if you don't drive or buy certain things.

Both parties make the assumption that those without ID are going to vote one way, and that's why they line up the way they do. If the Republican party thought those people voted Republican, they'd be the ones fighting it.

There's been so many different voting/registration scams I don't know if any set of laws will catch all the fraud. Just having 10s of millions of stolen or reproduced IDs that illegals use is enough to void the current system IMO>

And BTWast legislation by the Left has guaranteed their voter base [the disenfranchised] for eternity.

 

[opendebate]

I completely disagree since the context is we don't need to do anything and should allow criminals to walk in and cast ballots without identification. No it is sincerely true.


Liberals / progressives / leftists whatever you want to call them promote voter fraud by crying racisim and foul anytime anyone tries to stop it.

That's a false association.

If the intent is to curb voter fraud but the effect is voter discrimination why not point that out?

Besides, with actual cases of voter fraud so low what is the real benefit of addressing it? It's not like they are gonna throw an election.

 

[opendebate]

Ok... so then why are you against them if you have no information to support your position. Partisanship is a tool politicians use to justify their incompetence. It doesn't bode well for society if the citizenry is divided among partisan lines.

I am assuming you need objective material to reference and not just my opinion.

 

[Rainman05]

I am assuming you need objective material to reference and not just my opinion.

I need logic. If you can provide your opinion and argue it logically, that's fine by me.

 

[AGENT J]

yes per the proof we have it suggest that IN PERSON voter fraud is very very minute ans has never even been responsible for a close race. So worrying about is in deed illogical.

those facts aside i support voter ID laws IF they arent discriminatory


as long as the ID is free and easily accessible like at schools, post offices, where the voting polls are, SS offices, libraries etc
and as long as other IDs are also accepted, drivers licenses, pass ports, weapon permits, school IDs, military IDs etc.

 

[CalGun]

You continue to defend voter fraud? You even use racism as your means. I think America is waking up to progressive / socialist and can see exactly where they stand - for the criminals that would steal an election.

We ask for ID to sit in the same room with your beloved dictator and his minions, we ask for an ID to buy weapons, we ask for ID when you freely travel - I see no reason not to ask for it while casting a ballot and anyone fearful of showing it doesn't deserve to vote.

That's a false association.

If the intent is to curb voter fraud but the effect is voter discrimination why not point that out?

Besides, with actual cases of voter fraud so low what is the real benefit of addressing it? It's not like they are gonna throw an election.

 

[CalGun]

We give away free food, phones, shelter, and health care - I'm sure we can afford to hand out an ID. Oh we probably require an ID for a free phone, food, and shelter so why not for voting? I'm glad you support it.

yes per the proof we have it suggest that IN PERSON voter fraud is very very minute ans has never even been responsible for a close race. So worrying about is in deed illogical.

those facts aside i support voter ID laws IF they arent discriminatory


as long as the ID is free and easily accessible like at schools, post offices, where the voting polls are, SS offices, libraries etc
and as long as other IDs are also accepted, drivers licenses, pass ports, weapon permits, school IDs, military IDs etc.

 

[Fisher]

Fingerprint everybody if you are not going to make them show ID. I bet that would hurt the democrats more than an ID requirement would.

 

[opendebate]

You continue to defend voter fraud? You even use racism as your means. I think America is waking up to progressive / socialist and can see exactly where they stand - for the criminals that would steal an election.

We ask for ID to sit in the same room with your beloved dictator and his minions, we ask for an ID to buy weapons, we ask for ID when you freely travel - I see no reason not to ask for it while casting a ballot and anyone fearful of showing it doesn't deserve to vote.

Do us all a favor and switch to decaf. You twist words and make **** up to justify your raginess. I won't even bother trying to have a discussion with someone who is clearly incapable of listening to what is actually being said.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

We give away free food, phones, shelter, and health care - I'm sure we can afford to hand out an ID. Oh we probably require an ID for a free phone, food, and shelter so why not for voting? I'm glad you support it.

Would you trust the federal government to hand out voter IDs?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)We give away free food, phones, shelter, and health care -
2.)I'm sure we can afford to hand out an ID.
3.) Oh we probably require an ID for a free phone, food, and shelter so why not for voting? I'm glad you support it.

1.) thats one way of looking at it but not necessarily true
2.) i didnt say we can afford it
3.) not always and voting isnt legally protected like giving food/shelter is so theres your common sense answer, also ID is required to vote just not the ID some people want
4.) Im glad you are glad but i only support it under the terms i stated otherwise I dont and its discrimination

 

[AGENT J]

Fingerprint everybody if you are not going to make them show ID. I bet that would hurt the democrats more than an ID requirement would.

while probably not constitutional i would gladly support this again as long as it was free and easy accessible like i said in post 64

 

[CalGun]

I don't support discrmination either, and in fact I hope they do make it easy and free to obtain a legitimate identification for voters to use. I still do not see why or how it is discriminatory to ask for a photo identification before casting a ballot. I'm not in favor of mail order ballots, extended voting periods, voting days, weeks or months. We have an election, it is free to participate in, and it should be free. It should also follow simple rules but then so should immigration and a lot of leftist don't care about those rules much either. So its no wonder to me they cry racism and foul when people want to make sure the integrity of elections is seriously taken.

There are leftists on this forum happy to point out anything conservative is racist because some idiots sang a stupid song in AZ, and some other idiot doned a barry mask in Missouri. They are peopel that think a man who used a gun to defend himself against a black teenage thug is a racist and anyone defending him is a racist; but when I suggest that these people using race are promoting voter fraud they get pretty bent up about it - I don't care - they promote voter fraud and do so routinely.

1.) thats one way of looking at it but not necessarily true
2.) i didnt say we can afford it
3.) not always and voting isnt legally protected like giving food/shelter is so theres your common sense answer, also ID is required to vote just not the ID some people want
4.) Im glad you are glad but i only support it under the terms i stated otherwise I dont and its discrimination

 

[CalGun]

Don't confuse me with a libertarian - I believe the government does many things well. I have no problem with our government issuing identification and I think it should be free and easy to obtain.

Would you trust the federal government to hand out voter IDs?

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Don't confuse me with a libertarian - I believe the government does many things well. I have no problem with our government issuing identification and I think it should be free and easy to obtain.

I don't recall confusing you with anyone. It's up to the States to determine the conditions for voting in each without infringement, and SCOTUS has upheld photo ID laws...

 

[AGENT J]

1.)I don't support discrmination either, and in fact I hope they do make it easy and free to obtain a legitimate identification for voters to use.
2.) I still do not see why or how it is discriminatory to ask for a photo identification before casting a ballot.
3.) I'm not in favor of mail order ballots, extended voting periods
4.), voting days, weeks or months.
5.) We have an election, it is free to participate in, and it should be free.
6.) It should also follow simple rules
7.) but then so should immigration and
8.)a lot of leftist don't care about those rules much either.
9.) So its no wonder to me they cry racism and foul when people want to make sure the integrity of elections is seriously taken.
10.) There are leftists on this forum happy to point out anything conservative is racist because some idiots sang a stupid song in AZ, and some other idiot doned a barry mask in Missouri.
11.) They are peopel that think a man who used a gun to defend himself against a black teenage thug is a racist and anyone defending him is a racist;
12.) but when I suggest that these people using race are promoting voter fraud they get pretty bent up about it -
13.) I don't care - they promote voter fraud and do so routinely.

1.) thats good and be clear i didnt say you did and my apologies if you thought that
2.) asking for it alone is not nor did i say it is, making a law that you need a voter ID and charging for it could easily be discrimination

I myself am asked every time i vote, i consider it a none issue but i am allowed to vote without it
3.) Im ok with it as long as there are standards
4.)not sure what you mean by days, weeks or months
5.) I agree and it would be illegal if it wasnt
6.) in most cases it already does
7.) I agree
8.) neither do a lot of righties :shrug:
9.) well ive never seen anybody right or left cry racism or anything else if we are just talking integrity of voting
10.) ive never seen any leftist honestly claim anything conservative is racist in general or based on your examples but if they did id call them idiots
11.) see above but change the words where needed
12.) maybe because nobody here is factually promoting voter fraud
13.) do you have any facts that support this?