Virginity or Death! (1 Viewer)

[hipsterdufus]

The latest in the GOP War on Science is perhaps the most pathetic.
The party that's against evolution, against stem cell research, against fuel conservation, denies global warming now wants to prevent a vaccince to cure cervical cancer.

Wow! You guys already lost the Hispanic vote this year, now you're going to lose the entire female vote!

Good work!:roll:

Virginity or Death!
Katha Pollitt

Imagine a vaccine that would protect women from a serious gynecological cancer. Wouldn't that be great? Well, both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline recently announced that they have conducted successful trials of vaccines that protect against the human papilloma virus. HPV is not only an incredibly widespread sexually transmitted infection but is responsible for at least 70 percent of cases of cervical cancer, which is diagnosed in 10,000 American women a year and kills 4,000. Wonderful, you are probably thinking, all we need to do is vaccinate girls (and boys too for good measure) before they become sexually active, around puberty, and HPV--and, in thirty or forty years, seven in ten cases of cervical cancer--goes poof. Not so fast: We're living in God's country now. The Christian right doesn't like the sound of this vaccine at all. "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council told the British magazine New Scientist, "because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex." Raise your hand if you think that what is keeping girls virgins now is the threat of getting cervical cancer when they are 60 from a disease they've probably never heard of.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050530/pollitt

 

[mpg]

How do you know that she's a Republican? There are plenty of Christian fundamentalists who are Democrats. Even if she is a Republican, that's like using ecoterrorists to embarass the Democrats. She's only ONE person.

 

[massive_attack]

I don't care what she is. I don't agree with her.

Maybe we should do away with certain parts of the E.R. or medical profession. It only encourages people to act/live dangerously !

 

[BWG]

How do you know that she's a Republican? There are plenty of Christian fundamentalists who are Democrats. Even if she is a Republican, that's like using ecoterrorists to embarass the Democrats. She's only ONE person.

Happens all the time. Any loon it must be a lib.



"because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex."

condoms, sex education, vaccine HA! Let them wander through puberty wondering what's between their legs and in their minds, they'll never figure it out. Let's just cross our fingers, chant and make an imaginary 'X' on their image each day as they go out the front door. That'll keep them from fornicating. Good grief.:roll:

 

[FallingPianos]

the family research coucil is a fairly extreme right group. I would hesitate before making this a partisan issue.

 

[scottyz]

Repub, Dem, whatever.. The real question is why do religious nuts think they should get to decide what medical treatments should or shouldn't be allowed for the rest of us? Why do they think they should have any say in other peoples sex lives?

 

[ShamMol]

You know what? How bout you give the parents the option, and have them decide what is good for their daughters and (for good measure?) their sons. This shouldn't be an issue that any group can attack on, it should be one decided by the family and the family alone. The doctors can provide the information and then the parents can decide what they want for their kids.

This isn't a right/left issue at all. This is an issue that just affects people and people can take different stands. I could actually imagine several democrats (less so than Repubs) saying this...basically, it doesn't matter.

 

[RightinNYC]

If you get to tar the whole GOP with this position, then I call shotgun no blitz on tarring the whole Democratic party with Fred Phelps's "God Hates Fags."

Deal?

I would humbly submit that roughly 95% of both parties do not agree with this stance, and I think it's nothing but stupidity out of a group that just wants attention. It's a shame that people can't see past partisanship to not make issues out of inane things.

 

[hipsterdufus]

If you get to tar the whole GOP with this position, then I call shotgun no blitz on tarring the whole Democratic party with Fred Phelps's "God Hates Fags."

Ah - Fred Phelp's is on your team too.:roll:

The FSC is overwhelmingly a GOP group.

 

[RightinNYC]

Ah - Fred Phelp's is on your team too.:roll:

The FSC is overwhelmingly a GOP group.

Swing and a miss.

Not only is Fred Phelps a life-long registered democrat, but his son's house served as a campaign office for Al Gore, he was a delegate to the DNC in 1988, and his son was invited to the inaugural ball in 1993. All while picketing and proclaiming "God Hates Fags."

In addition, Phelps has ran for governor of Kansas in the Democratic Primary numerous times, including 1998, when he came in SECOND with 15,000 votes. 15% of the DEMOCRAT voters in the election picked Phelps.

So, again, if you get to tar all republicans with the opinions of this one spokeswoman, then i get to tar all democrats with Phelps' filth.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

Swing and a miss.

Not only is Fred Phelps a life-long registered democrat, but his son's house served as a campaign office for Al Gore, he was a delegate to the DNC in 1988, and his son was invited to the inaugural ball in 1993. All while picketing and proclaiming "God Hates Fags."

In addition, Phelps has ran for governor of Kansas in the Democratic Primary numerous times, including 1998, when he came in SECOND with 15,000 votes. 15% of the DEMOCRAT voters in the election picked Phelps.

So, again, if you get to tar all republicans with the opinions of this one spokeswoman, then i get to tar all democrats with Phelps' filth.

You forgot the rest of the story:

In the ensuing years leading up to Clinton's second presidential campaign, Gore and Clinton took stances increasingly in favor of gay rights. Consequently, Westboro turned against Gore, who nevertheless invited Fred Phelps, Marge, Fred Jr., and Betty back for the 1997 inauguration; they responded by bringing the entire Westboro congregation to the White House and picketing on the front lawn during the ball, [23] with signs proclaiming that Gore, Clinton, and both men's families were going to Hell, not necessarily for their stances on homosexuality, but because they had "betrayed" Westboro. [24]

In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him "your dad's in Hell." [24]

Westboro signs with politican messages have read:

AL GORE FAMILY VALUES (with a cartoon of two men having anal sex) [25]
GO HOME (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)
BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Hillary Clinton)
BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)
FAG GORE
Phelps has failed in numerous Democratic primary elections for governor of the overwhelmingly Republican state of Kansas, in 1990, 1994, and the last time in 1998, when he came in second with 15,000 votes out of a total of over 103,000 votes cast, or 15%.[26]

In the aftermath of the election, in an incident that would be repeated years later when Phelps circulated a fuzzy petition to outlaw homosexual work protection, many of the Kansas Democrats who had cast votes for Phelps came forward to express their distaste for him. They claimed that Phelps had lied about his intentions to numerous constituents, using double-talk and fuzzy language to confuse them; neglected to mention his stances on race, religion, and homosexuality, and campaigned mainly on the platform of a "good ol' boy" Southern gentleman and retired lawyer unfairly prosecuted by the system.

 

[mpg]

You forgot the rest of the story:

In the ensuing years leading up to Clinton's second presidential campaign, Gore and Clinton took stances increasingly in favor of gay rights. Consequently, Westboro turned against Gore, who nevertheless invited Fred Phelps, Marge, Fred Jr., and Betty back for the 1997 inauguration; they responded by bringing the entire Westboro congregation to the White House and picketing on the front lawn during the ball, [23] with signs proclaiming that Gore, Clinton, and both men's families were going to Hell, not necessarily for their stances on homosexuality, but because they had "betrayed" Westboro. [24]

In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him "your dad's in Hell." [24]

Westboro signs with politican messages have read:

AL GORE FAMILY VALUES (with a cartoon of two men having anal sex) [25]
GO HOME (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)
BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Hillary Clinton)
BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)
FAG GORE
Phelps has failed in numerous Democratic primary elections for governor of the overwhelmingly Republican state of Kansas, in 1990, 1994, and the last time in 1998, when he came in second with 15,000 votes out of a total of over 103,000 votes cast, or 15%.[26]

In the aftermath of the election, in an incident that would be repeated years later when Phelps circulated a fuzzy petition to outlaw homosexual work protection, many of the Kansas Democrats who had cast votes for Phelps came forward to express their distaste for him. They claimed that Phelps had lied about his intentions to numerous constituents, using double-talk and fuzzy language to confuse them; neglected to mention his stances on race, religion, and homosexuality, and campaigned mainly on the platform of a "good ol' boy" Southern gentleman and retired lawyer unfairly prosecuted by the system.

None of that changes the fact that 15% of Democrats voted for him. Are you saying that they were too stupid to know what they were doing? That sounds like Florida 2000. lol!

 

[RightinNYC]

You forgot the rest of the story:

Thanks for proving my point even further.

You just showed that despite the Phelps' clan's virulent anti-gay actions, Gore STILL invited them to the 1997 Inauguration Ball. The Phelps' rejected gores invite, but then proceeded to run Fred as a democrat the FOLLOWING year in Kansas, where he got his best turnout ever.


So now do you want to explain to me how Fred Phelps is "in my camp," as hipsterdoofus claimed?

 

[tryreading]

You know what? How bout you give the parents the option, and have them decide what is good for their daughters and (for good measure?) their sons. This shouldn't be an issue that any group can attack on, it should be one decided by the family and the family alone. The doctors can provide the information and then the parents can decide what they want for their kids.

This isn't a right/left issue at all. This is an issue that just affects people and people can take different stands. I could actually imagine several democrats (less so than Repubs) saying this...basically, it doesn't matter.

Its not a parental issue. Children are given a number of vaccinations, and entrance to schools require them. Any vaccine developed that is determined to be safe, and would treat a potential female cancer, should be added to the mix for girls. Vaccines for ailments such as polio and smallpox are administered to prevent major illnesses, and that is what this new drug may do. Any parent who would attempt to avoid giving this drug to his/her daughter is sick, and needs some type of shot for his/her irresponsibility issues.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

Thanks for proving my point even further.

You just showed that despite the Phelps' clan's virulent anti-gay actions, Gore STILL invited them to the 1997 Inauguration Ball. The Phelps' rejected gores invite, but then proceeded to run Fred as a democrat the FOLLOWING year in Kansas, where he got his best turnout ever.


So now do you want to explain to me how Fred Phelps is "in my camp," as hipsterdoofus claimed?

I assume hipsterdufus was referring to the anti-gay mantra, and how is is forbidden under the lord, etc., as much of 'your camp' claims.

I do not know what Gore was thinking by associating with these freaks, to be honest.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

None of that changes the fact that 15% of Democrats voted for him. Are you saying that they were too stupid to know what they were doing? That sounds like Florida 2000. lol!

No, I'm not saying that. Perhaps they were misled on his stances on homosexuality, on were just apathetic.
I wasn't among the 15%, so I can't say for sure.

 

[ShamMol]

Its not a parental issue. Children are given a number of vaccinations, and entrance to schools require them. Any vaccine developed that is determined to be safe, and would treat a potential female cancer, should be added to the mix for girls. Vaccines for ailments such as polio and smallpox are administered to prevent major illnesses, and that is what this new drug may do. Any parent who would attempt to avoid giving this drug to his/her daughter is sick, and needs some type of shot for his/her irresponsibility issues.

It is a parental issue because the child is just that, a child. They don't have really any medical rights until they turn 16 or so and thus all medical decisions have to be made by the parents.

If it is determined to be safe, then it will automatically just start being offerred and the parents will go along with it, but it is still a parental choice.

 

[tryreading]

It is a parental issue because the child is just that, a child. They don't have really any medical rights until they turn 16 or so and thus all medical decisions have to be made by the parents.

If it is determined to be safe, then it will automatically just start being offerred and the parents will go along with it, but it is still a parental choice.

Society can mandate that female children get the pap vaccine, for example through the school entrance example I used below.

Anyway, I still say that if a parent had the choice whether to innoculate his kid with an anti-cancer drug or not, and chose not to, that parent would be an irresponsible idiot (imho).

 

[ShamMol]

Society can mandate that female children get the pap vaccine, for example through the school entrance example I used below.

Anyway, I still say that if a parent had the choice whether to innoculate his kid with an anti-cancer drug or not, and chose not to, that parent would be an irresponsible idiot (imho).

And I completely agree with you, but it is also their right to not, whether it be on religious grounds or some other grounds. That is their right and they have to be allowed to make it, no matter what schools their children can't go to as a result.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I assume hipsterdufus was referring to the anti-gay mantra, and how is is forbidden under the lord, etc., as much of 'your camp' claims.

Exactly. Frist, Bennett, Brownback etc. all sound very close to Phelps.