Vietnam veteran in Massachusetts assaulted for supporting Trump, police say

[LouC]

It has everything to do with them thinking they're above obligation and sacrifice. The war happened. Young men were being sent. No one liked being over there. BSing your way out of it at the same time you're taking advantage of living in this country is chickenshit. You don't want to serve because you don't agree with the war, step up to the plate and go to jail. Volunteer for something other than one of the combat arms. Don't vote for a rootin' tootin' cowboy from Texas and then expect to cheat your way out of the circumstances he puts you in.

To you it might.

Not to the men I have spoken to who didn't care or thought the dodgers were the smart ones.

 

[Roadvirus]

A Vietnam vet? Was his attacker Jane Fonda by any chance?

 

[Roadvirus]

At least she only pushed him. Look at that this Trump lover did:

Neo-Nazi Who Killed Charlottesville Protester Is Sentenced To Life In Prison

James Fields rammed his car into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in 2017, killing Heather Heyer and injuring many others. He pleaded guilty to 29 federal hate crimes, avoiding the death penalty.

www.npr.org

And at what these Trump lovers did:

Wisconsin man 14th person arrested in alleged Whitmer kidnapping plot

Attorney General Dana Nessel has charged a 14th suspect in an alleged plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and storm the state Capitol

www.detroitnews.com

You get the point, yes?

Oh look! Someone's trying to Whataboutism. How cute!

 

[Mr Person]

Oh look! Someone's trying to Whataboutism. How cute!

Actually, someone was making a point about the idiocy of generalizing the behavior of one person to the behavior of all in a supposed category, and then someone else came in to lie about what that someone was doing. You're the "someone else".

 

[LouC]

A Vietnam vet? Was his attacker Jane Fonda by any chance?

No.

Why would it be?

Jane Fonda never physically or verbally attacked any group or individual Vietnam veteran(s).

The only celebrity of current fame who did any of that that I can think of is our ersatz president Donny "Dip Stick" Trump.

He is the one who attacked Senator John McCain, a Vietnam veteran and permanently disabled one from his time as a POW. Then Trump further trashed all American Veterans, including the Vietnam Veterans, calling them losers and stupid. Remember when it was exposed that Donny made light of the Vietnam dead and living Veterans of that war by equating his whore mongering youth with being his "own personal Vietnam"?

"Hanoi Jane" has repeatedly apologized for her youthful indiscretions in going to Vietnam and being their useful idiot.

Trump never has apologized for any of his dirty dog denigrating of our American Veterans.

Some folks just need to open their eyes about who the bigger jerk is.

 

[dave8383]

To you it might.

Not to the men I have spoken to who didn't care or thought the dodgers were the smart ones.

According to you but I've never met a Vietnam veteran who thought the dodgers were the smart ones. Any asshole could have avoided the draft. Trump and Clinton are proof of that.

 

[LouC]

According to you but I've never met a Vietnam veteran who thought the dodgers were the smart ones. Any asshole could have avoided the draft. Trump and Clinton are proof of that.

Perhaps I have met far more Vietnam Veterans, or spoke with them in greater depth.

 

[dave8383]

Perhaps I have met far more Vietnam Veterans, or spoke with them in greater depth.

I highly doubt it.

 

[dave8383]

Some folks just need to open their eyes about who the bigger jerk is.

Exactly, and who dodged the draft, Jane Fonda or Donald Trump?

 

[LouC]

Exactly, and who dodged the draft, Jane Fonda or Donald Trump?

Only one of those two was able to do that, Donny Trump.

 

[code1211]

Or, far, far more likely, it could just be entirely unto itself what one previously anonymous crazed Bernie Sanders supporter did that has nothing at all to do with any larger supposed Leftist "fear, ridicule and intimidation" movement.

But hey who am I to argue with your fear of ridicule and intimidation by Never-Trump Democrat-Socialists.

Well, I may be painting the whole party based on the actions of only the the mobs of people people I see harassing people, vandalizing stuff and rioting, burning and looting.

At the food pantry where I volunteer, we have people of all political stripes, economic levels, ages, races and genders and we seem to be capable of working together for the benefit of others.

Wouldn't it be great if the lying thieves we elect to SERVE in Congress would do this?

 

[dave8383]

Well, I may be painting the whole party based on the actions of only the the mobs of people people I see harassing people, vandalizing stuff and rioting, burning and looting.

At the food pantry where I volunteer, we have people of all political stripes, economic levels, ages, races and genders and we seem to be capable of working together for the benefit of others.

Wouldn't it be great if the lying thieves we elect to SERVE in Congress would do this?

Now are the congressmen and women taking their cue from people like you or are you taking your cue from them?

 

[LouC]

Well, I may be painting the whole party based on the actions of only the the mobs of people people I see harassing people, vandalizing stuff and rioting, burning and looting.

At the food pantry where I volunteer, we have people of all political stripes, economic levels, ages, races and genders and we seem to be capable of working together for the benefit of others.

Wouldn't it be great if the lying thieves we elect to SERVE in Congress would do this?

Well how certain (yes I admit there is a large chance of such affiliation, Democratic, among the anti police George Floyd and BLM protests) are you all those engaged in such activity were solid registered Democrats? There were many confirmed reports of Right Wingers and non Democratic folks mixing in and stirring up trouble in those protests and initiating the arsons and store front attacks. Not all the protests were Left Wing initiated nor was all the criminal activity committed by Leftists and or registered Democrats.

That said there were 10 to 20 thousand arrests made during the Nationwide protests from May to the end of August this year. Many of those arrests were for non violent activity such as blocking roadways or curfew violations.

Many of the arrests were legitimately all about violence, vandalism, looting, rioting. I don't deny that. However folks engaging in such activity are more representative of the general criminal element in society and not representative of peaceful protestors on all sides of the aisle including those from particular party affiliations.

With that preface I would like to point out that there are (as of 2018) 32.5 MILLION Registered Republicans in the United States and that there are 44.2 MILLION Registered Democrats.

Of the 10,600 recorded protests across the United States from May until August only a small percentage devolved into violence. Over 10,100 (95%) were peaceful with only (yes still way too many) 570 becoming violent, or 5% of them.

I abhor violence, assault, vandalism, intimidation, obstruction of free travel (road blocking), arson, rioting, looting.

I especially abhor all of that coming through and or out of what has been peaceful protesting until the criminal elements of society came out taking advantage of the cover of the peaceful protestors.

What I don't do though is condemn all of the 32.5 million registered Republicans for the bad coming from Right Wing protestors and protesting.

Doing that, laying blanket condemnations on 32.5 million folks because of a few bad apples in the basket, well that would be very foolish and very incorrect.

I would expect sane, rational and politically well informed folks to NOT do that with the 44.2 million registered Democrats because of such a tiny number of bad apples, many that have not been positively identified as Registered Democrats.

I condemn bad and criminal behavior across the board but I don't feel any political affiliation is endemically bad any more than I believe bad apples exposed in the police is justification for condemning all police officers.

 

[noonereal]

Is this lady just a weirdo or is she a sign of the times? Or both?

Honestly, why would anyone be so bothered?




https://www.wcvb.com/article/vetera...lted-for-supporting-trump-police-say/34406251

two things

first, WTF does the fact that the guy claims to have served in Viet Nam have to do with anything?

2nd, why the big deal? The women who shoved the guy committed a crime, so arrest her and be done with it. I'd put her in jail a good long time if it were up to me.

 

[dave8383]

two things

first, WTF does the fact that the guy claims to have served in Viet Nam have to do with anything?

2nd, why the big deal? The women who shoved the guy committed a crime, so arrest her and be done with it. I'd put her in jail a good long time if it were up to me.

You know the press loves to report that. I remember as a kid hearing that a Korean vet robbed a grocery store.

 

[Tangmo]

Urban Dictionary: MASS-HOLES

What the resident's of Northern Maine call the people from Southern Maine, most of whom migrated from Massachussetts.

www.urbandictionary.com

Thanks for the contribution Virginia.

Confederate States: South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, adding Texas in March before Lincoln's inauguration, expanded in May–July 1861 with Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina.

A funny post from someone who brought up growing up in Massachusetts. How long ago was that? Then again you're a Trump supporter so BS is your calling card.

Support in what way? I didn't support Clinton, nor do I support Trump.

Eighty-five percent of everybody I grew up with in Massachusetts and knew -- or still know -- did that each day to Yankee fans. Gave 'em the bum's rush we did. Damn Yankees.

Red Sox fans and Yankee fans were hugely against the war. Bill won big in MA and NY each time and Hillary won each state going away in '16. In college first thingy I asked about a prof was if he was a Yankee fan -- I'd rather take a course with a pipe smoking commie bastard in a tweed jacket than a Yankee fan. Almost anyway.

Maybe this is what it's all about so who really knows.

That said, let's remember LBJ was the "peace candidate" against the wackjob Goldwater who said to leave initiation and use of nuclear weapons in VN up to the generals. I wuz too young to vote yet I would have voted for Goldwater because he would have won the war in the time it took a B-52 to appear over Vietnam. As we know Forked-Tongued Lyndon the peace candidate won and Gold Heavy Water Reactor lost and next thingy we knew we had a half million troops in the Nam.

With no way out except to quit and split as in Nixon-Kissinger but only after the 1972 Nixon reelection and not an instant before. Nixon himself said he was not going to stand for reelection as "the only president who lost a war." Until Nixon said it, Nixon's "secret plan" to end the war was to prolong it until after he got reelected in '72. Nixon-Kissinger sent a lot of grunts to their final posting.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Sounds pretty standard.

The tactics of the Never-Trump Democrat-Socialists seems to include fear, ridicule and intimidation.

This fits right in.

Like when the police whacked a Navy veteran with their batons?

 

[dave8383]

Red Sox fans and Yankee fans were hugely against the war. Bill won big in MA and NY each time and Hillary won each state going away in '16. In college first thingy I asked about a prof was if he was a Yankee fan -- I'd rather take a course with a pipe smoking commie bastard in a tweed jacket than a Yankee fan. Almost anyway.

I was friends with one Yankee fan. Then again she was drop-dead gorgeous.

BTW, let's not forget we're talking about Vietnam vets first not Red Sox fans first. Ask any of the innumerable ex grunts from Southie, Charlestown, Revere, Everet, Chelsea, etc. if they supported Slick Willy? Then ask them if they supported John Kerry? You'll get a resounding no on both counts. And almost all of them are, or were, Democrats. Now, ask them about Trump, and much to my chagrin, you'll get a different response from too many. Why? I have no f___ing idea. Alzheimers?

 

[code1211]

Now are the congressmen and women taking their cue from people like you or are you taking your cue from them?

You seem to be assuming that I have only one cue and one resulting action. My general feeling on politics is that people need to plan for their own better future.

When I lived in the house I moved out of in 2019, my Congressman actively worked against everything I hoped he might accomplish. No cue taken there.

My new address is in a different Congressional District and my new Representative seems more likely to share opinions with me than my old one.

 

[code1211]

Well how certain (yes I admit there is a large chance of such affiliation, Democratic, among the anti police George Floyd and BLM protests) are you all those engaged in such activity were solid registered Democrats? There were many confirmed reports of Right Wingers and non Democratic folks mixing in and stirring up trouble in those protests and initiating the arsons and store front attacks. Not all the protests were Left Wing initiated nor was all the criminal activity committed by Leftists and or registered Democrats.

That said there were 10 to 20 thousand arrests made during the Nationwide protests from May to the end of August this year. Many of those arrests were for non violent activity such as blocking roadways or curfew violations.

Many of the arrests were legitimately all about violence, vandalism, looting, rioting. I don't deny that. However folks engaging in such activity are more representative of the general criminal element in society and not representative of peaceful protestors on all sides of the aisle including those from particular party affiliations.

With that preface I would like to point out that there are (as of 2018) 32.5 MILLION Registered Republicans in the United States and that there are 44.2 MILLION Registered Democrats.

Of the 10,600 recorded protests across the United States from May until August only a small percentage devolved into violence. Over 10,100 (95%) were peaceful with only (yes still way too many) 570 becoming violent, or 5% of them.

I abhor violence, assault, vandalism, intimidation, obstruction of free travel (road blocking), arson, rioting, looting.

I especially abhor all of that coming through and or out of what has been peaceful protesting until the criminal elements of society came out taking advantage of the cover of the peaceful protestors.

What I don't do though is condemn all of the 32.5 million registered Republicans for the bad coming from Right Wing protestors and protesting.

Doing that, laying blanket condemnations on 32.5 million folks because of a few bad apples in the basket, well that would be very foolish and very incorrect.

I would expect sane, rational and politically well informed folks to NOT do that with the 44.2 million registered Democrats because of such a tiny number of bad apples, many that have not been positively identified as Registered Democrats.

I condemn bad and criminal behavior across the board but I don't feel any political affiliation is endemically bad any more than I believe bad apples exposed in the police is justification for condemning all police officers.

TEA Party protests in 2010 leading to up to the elections never once in any location, at any time, for any reason devolved into looting, burning, vandalizing, arsonist rampages destroying downtowns across the country.

ANTIFA protests did.

The burners, looters, vandals, assaulters and church fire-bombers did not attend the TEA Party protests.

They did attend the ANTIFA protests.

So... There's that.

 

[dave8383]

TEA Party protests in 2010 leading to up to the elections never once in any location, at any time, for any reason devolved into looting, burning, vandalizing, arsonist rampages destroying downtowns across the country.

ANTIFA protests did.

The burners, looters, vandals, assaulters and church fire-bombers did not attend the TEA Party protests.

They did attend the ANTIFA protests.

So... There's that.

I'm sure there are good people on both sides.

 

[LouC]

TEA Party protests in 2010 leading to up to the elections never once in any location, at any time, for any reason devolved into looting, burning, vandalizing, arsonist rampages destroying downtowns across the country.

ANTIFA protests did.

The burners, looters, vandals, assaulters and church fire-bombers did not attend the TEA Party protests.

They did attend the ANTIFA protests.

So... There's that.

Antifa members do not = all Democrats, if any.

Tea Party members do not = all Republicans

So... There's that.

Remember also that 10,100 protests in the wake of the needless and brutal Police killing (assassination) of George Floyd; protests from May to August, were peaceful never devolving into looting, burning, vandalizing, arsonist rampages that destroyed downtowns across the country.

So... There's that as well.

 

[LouC]

You know the press loves to report that. I remember as a kid hearing that a Korean vet robbed a grocery store.

Loves to report what?

Was the grocery store thief not a Korean vet?

 

[code1211]

Like when the police whacked a Navy veteran with their batons?

Did the Veteran do something to enter the proximity of the Police or did the police go to the home of the Navy Veteran?

 

[Tangmo]

I was friends with one Yankee fan. Then again she was drop-dead gorgeous.

BTW, let's not forget we're talking about Vietnam vets first not Red Sox fans first. Ask any of the innumerable ex grunts from Southie, Charlestown, Revere, Everet, Chelsea, etc. if they supported Slick Willy? Then ask them if they supported John Kerry? You'll get a resounding no on both counts. And almost all of them are, or were, Democrats. Now, ask them about Trump, and much to my chagrin, you'll get a different response from too many. Why? I have no f___ing idea. Alzheimers?

Speaking of drop-dead gorgeous I lived in Manhattan 5 years with the wifey before she and I broke up several years afterward. While she stayed in the Apple I returned to Washington DC and while she kept up with politics I had to keep up with the new men in her life ha. She always hit me back though with the old let he who is without sin. During the 5 years in a brownstone on W 22d St. between 7th & 8th Aves. I anyway spent more time at the Stadium and Shea with the guys than with her. I always wore my Red Sox jacket to the games and also along Bleeker Street around the corner from us, ie, the best street in the world.

I grew up in the Fenway btw, Westland Ave and could see the ballpark to my right stepping out the front door of our building, snow or shine. Grew up in the Bleachers actually when a seat was 50 cents instead of closer to the $150 bucks it is now. USN Retired admitted to me in a post he had a spot at the CF wall he and his gang scaled at will and were probably the kids we sometimes noticed dropping in hard during fielding practice.

Those VN vets from Southie et al locales that hated Counterfeit Bill, John Kerry the pompous buffoon and who love Trump are the guys who loved Nixon's hardhats that stomped around and about for the war. They're the guys who considered Reagan to be a saint, Carter to be a loser, Ted Kennedy a phony windbag; who felt both good and disappointed about Desert Storm, and that are still certain Obama is a Kenyan Muslin sham who worked constantly and willfully against the United States.

They wanted all out war in the Nam to win quickly and decisively, tore into Reagan's immigrant amnesty and are the same guys who since Reagan have been hollering for machine guns at the border to mow down unarmed civilian migrants to teach 'em all the lesson they still need to learn. Today they're PutinTrump Rowers who can go to the devil as far as I and many others are concerned.