Video: Seattle Cop Punches Woman In The Face For Jaywalking

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YouTube - Chris Rock - How To Not Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police

 

[Your Star]

If it had been a man who jumped in there, struggled with the officer, shoved the officer, and pulled away the "suspect" he was attempting to put into custody, would you guys be calling it "police brutality" if he punched him? Probably not. Such hypocrisy is pretty rampant in this country.

She assaulted an officer, he had every right to subdue her.

What I'm more amazed by his how difficult a time he had with actually subduing her. I'm guessing he was trying to be more "gentle" when he saw all the camera, but IMO, he was FAR too easy on her, hence why she kept slipping his grasp.

This.

She was attacking him, he had every right to protect himself. I don't give a damn if its by a woman or not.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Then he needs to be re-trained on handcuffing because what he seemed to be trying to didnt appear to be doing anything except grabbing her hands and holding them, not cuffing her.

Good point - he definitely didn't seem to be telling her she was under arrest, rather, it seems that he was trying to restrain her from fighting? (I might be wrong, though).

Obviously he needs training: #1 - how to actually handle someone who's resisting arrest and #2 - how to use non-face-punching means to deal with someone intervening.

and the overall title of this thread is misleading - the woman wasn't punched for jaywalking, she was punched because she tried to interfere with the activities of a police officer.

 

[Goshin]

I was raised to never hit a woman, and she wasn't threatening his life. He could have just pushed her down?

I would never hit a lady.


However, I will deck a bitch, if she insists on it. :mrgreen:

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I would never hit a lady.


However, I will deck a bitch, if she insists on it. :mrgreen:

LOL - I heeearrr ya.
If these women were being "ladies" then they wouldn't evne be in this fickle pickle.

Where's your avatar from? It looks very familiar but I can't place it.

 

[Goshin]

LOL - I heeearrr ya.
If these women were being "ladies" then they wouldn't evne be in this fickle pickle.

Where's your avatar from? It looks very familiar but I can't place it.

An "action-role" actor named Vin Diesel, specifically a still from the movie "Pitch Black".

 

[Aunt Spiker]

AHHA! thanks

 

[Deuce]

Good point - he definitely didn't seem to be telling her she was under arrest, rather, it seems that he was trying to restrain her from fighting? (I might be wrong, though).

Obviously he needs training: #1 - how to actually handle someone who's resisting arrest and #2 - how to use non-face-punching means to deal with someone intervening.

and the overall title of this thread is misleading - the woman wasn't punched for jaywalking, she was punched because she tried to interfere with the activities of a police officer.

#1 "Handling" someone who is struggling requires more force, and doing so when a third party is trying to interfere is even harder.
He did what he had to do. DONT PUSH POLICE OFFICERS. HOW HARD IS THIS?

 

[Orion]

Not sure why people are so staunch in taking sides on this one. This is just a video. Is there an article that talks about what actually happened? The video started when the two people were already in bodily contact. Hard to tell who started it.

 

[RightinNYC]

Not sure why people are so staunch in taking sides on this one. This is just a video. Is there an article that talks about what actually happened? The video started when the two people were already in bodily contact. Hard to tell who started it.

Seattle officer punches girl in face during jaywalking stop

According to Seattle police, the incident began when an officer spotted a man jaywalking in the 3100 block of Martin Luther King, Jr. Way S. at approximately 3:10 p.m. The man was some 15 feet away from a pedestrian overpass, police said.

The officer was talking to the man when he saw four young women jaywalk across the same street at the same spot. The officer asked the women to step over to his patrol car, but the women were being "verbally antagonistic toward the officer," according to officials.

One of the women, later identified as a 19 year old, began to walk away from the scene despite the officer's instructions, prompting the officer to walk over to her and escort her back to his patrol car.

The girl then "began to tense up her arm, and pull away from the officer while yelling at him," investigators said. The officer told the girl to place her hands on his patrol car, but she refused. When the officer tried to grab hold of her, "she pulled away and twisted, breaking free of the officer's grip several times," the blotter report said.

When the officer tried to handcuff the girl, another girl, this one 17 years old, intervened and placed her hands on the officer's arm, "causing the officer to believe she was attempting to physically affect the first subject's escape," police said.

The officer pushed back the second girl, but the girl came back at him. The officer then punched her, police said.

I was a bit confused as to why the cop was enforcing jaywalking laws (that doesn't happen in NY), but apparently there was good reason:

The incident happened at Martin Luther King Jr. Way South near the arterial's intersection with Rainier Avenue South, in the vicinity of Franklin High School.

A Seattle transportation department plan released in 2006 called for Seattle police pedestrian-safety patrols to target jaywalking, particularly near Franklin High and north of South McClellan Street by the Lowe's hardware store.

Between 2002 and 2006 more jaywalkers were hit by vehicles on Rainier Avenue South than in any other corridor in the city.

During that period, 61 pedestrians were struck while jaywalking on Rainier Avenue South -- nearly double the number of accidents on Aurora Avenue North, which had the second highest number of jaywalkers hit with 35, according to Seattle Transportation Department records.

Police guild: Officer did nothing wrong in videotaped punch

and:

Metz says Franklin High School asked Seattle Police to enforce the jaywalking law outside campus because of all the students that don't use the sky bridge to safely cross the street.

Seattle Cop Punches Jaywalking Woman: Department Investigating - KTLA

 

[Hoplite]

If someone just walked up to an officer and pushed them, it might be reasonable to expect the officer to give a warning. When the officer is already involved in a scuffle with one person and then another joins in the fray, I would be surprised if any police department would require the officer to hand out verbal warnings before using physical force.

The key is he never issued verbal commands or warning with is SOP in every single police department that I am aware of. The woman was also unarmed and not posing a threat to the life of the officer, that makes a difference.

 

[apdst]

I was raised to never hit a woman, and she wasn't threatening his life. He could have just pushed her down?

I was raised to enver fight with a cop.

 

[apdst]

seems to me he was trying to be as less violent as possible, then he got fed up :shrug: as rivrrat said, if it was a bloke, no-one'd really care

Well, since the two, "blokes", that were there were black, the same outrage would abound.

Jesse and Al have a money making oppurtunity here, because it won't take long for it to become a, "black thang".

 

[bhkad]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what are you basing this on? To the best of my knowledge, Seattle PD has said that they believe the guy complied with all rules.

That he did.

 

[apdst]

Those cops should be bettter chosen. A person who cant keep their cool shouldnt be a cop.

We wouldn't have any cops worth having, if they were totally emotionless.

 

[Goshin]

Those cops should be bettter chosen. A person who cant keep their cool shouldnt be a cop.

Walk a mile in my shoes. Cops are human.

In any case, this is silly. He was involved with two people at one time: one resisting arrest, one attempting to help the other resist arrest. That is always a bad thing. The potential to lose control of the situation is high. You never know what may happen when this crap starts: someone may pull a weapon or attack you from behind. You're outnumbered, your attention is divided, and that puts you in a tight spot. You have to regain control quickly. So he punched her, so what... it's not like he went all Rodeny King on her with a nightstick.

Moral of the story: don't resist arrest, and don't help someone else resist arrest.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Thanks Right!

 

[bhkad]

[Officers Guild President] Rich O'Neil told KCPQ-TV that punching her in the face was an appropriate use of force as the officer [Ian P. Walsh] struggled with two women and a crowd formed. O'Neil says it's wrong to call the punch police brutality or racist.

Police Union: Cop Who Punched Teen Girl in the Head Was Right

 

[Caine]

While I do think the officer would have been justified in use of appropriate force to subdue the woman, a punch to the face is NOT appropriate force. His life was not in danger, she was not armed, she was not striking his face, and he offered no verbal warnings (which you are required to do prior to the use of any force).

What he should have done is immediately call for another officer.

It was a disproportionate use of force where it was not necessary.

A punch to the face is not lethal force.. :roll
If his life was in danger, he should have shot the stupid bitch.

The response was appropriate, attack a cop and get punched in the ****ing face.
Im tired of this passive sissy bull**** expectations from the police, if someone attacked you like that, you'd punch them in the ****ing face.

 

[NolaMan]

Frankly you kind of deserve to be punched for being stupid enough to go up and shove a police officer. Had he continued to punch her, that would have been overboard, but I see no problem with how he responded.

 

[Caine]

Was he right to hit? No - because she actually didn't hit him. . . minor overreaction, it's actually understandable in this situation.

Everything else was right. but this was..
Wrong.


It isn't a boxing match. Police don't escalate to match the level of force the offender is using. We go one step above them. Its not a "fair game". We are to win, they are to lose, thats how it works.

 

[Caine]

Cops are not SUPPOSED to punch angry people in the face, cops are not thugs nor are they supposed to act like thugs. There was no clear need to strike her in the face and again, he issued no verbal warnings which is EXTREMELY important and something any cop should know to do.

She was struggling, but I saw no attempt made to cuff the woman in black before the officer struck the woman in pink

And it has been verified that police do not have to wait to defend themselves while actively being attacked in order to warn someone.
You warn someone before they act out, not in the middle of being assaulted.

Police are not the public's punching bags.

 

[Caine]

Then he needs to be re-trained on handcuffing because what he seemed to be trying to didnt appear to be doing anything except grabbing her hands and holding them, not cuffing her.

Please, offer to train him with your expert knowledge.

Again, the officer is required to give verbal warnings in this case. If the officer felt the application of force was necessary, he had the option of deploying pepper spray which is specifically designed for a situation like this.

Again, no the officer is not required to give verbal warnings in the case where they are actively getting attacked.

If Im getting shot at, Im not going to stand there yelling before I return fire. If Im getting attacked, im not going to bother yelling before I defend myself.

If someone is holding a weapon but hasn't fired, I am then going to give verbal warnings, a few, before defending myself.

 

[Caine]

The key is he never issued verbal commands or warning with is SOP in every single police department that I am aware of. The woman was also unarmed and not posing a threat to the life of the officer, that makes a difference.

The key is, you are wrong.

 

[Caine]

Frankly you kind of deserve to be punched for being stupid enough to go up and shove a police officer. Had he continued to punch her, that would have been overboard, but I see no problem with how he responded.

Ding Ding Ding.
We have a winner. He responded to an attack with an attack that ended her attack, and he didn't continue to strike her more than necessary.

If more police responded like this, people wouldn't act like this ****ing cow acted.