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(Video) American Pastor Glenn Palmer criticizes the book of Jimmy Carter

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Pastor Glenn Palmer from Detroit gave an interview to the Israeli television couple of days ago. He criticizes the book of Jimmy Carter and also talks about the good relations between the Afro-Americans and the Jews. Here are some of his quotes:

"People like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton don't really speak the sentiment of the greatest majority of Black Americans...They (Black Americans) have love to Israel and to the Jews."

Regarding the book of Jimmy Carter:

"The issue of apartheid and comparing it to what's happening in Israel, for a Black American, is insulting...in all due respect to former President Carter, he is not correct...what was not happening in South Africa was there was not suicide bombings by Blacks against the white regime in South Africa, there was not a declaration to eliminate and to destroy utterly every white person in South Africa...here you have regimes that are calling for the absolute annihilation of the Jewish people and Israel in particular...the analogy, with all due respect to President Carter, is an attempt to sell some books..."

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A much better quality (it may take some time to load) :
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Coming from you i'm sure this video's content is very well informed and objective.
 
Morrow said:
Coming from you i'm sure this video's content is very well informed and objective.
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What? are you hinting as if I edited it? If so then you are a paranoid who continue to spread blood libels.

You can watch interview at this url:
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I'm sure that the videos that you like the most are the videos of the Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist organization, videos that they make before they are going to their "actions". I'm sure you have hundreds of videos of this kind at your home. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that you have also videos of Al Quiada.
 
I suggest that your sources of information are decidedly biased.
 
"People like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton don't really speak the sentiment of the greatest majority of Black Americans...They (Black Americans) have love to Israel and to the Jews."
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Then which Black leader does speak for blacks and on this specific issue; I could see black evangelicals saying they support Israel because of its indoctrination of it, but as blacks as a whole can anyone provide real tangible factual evidence for this Black American love to Israel and Jews? Maybe Palmer is just wanting an Israel award of some kind like Pat Robertson. Never heard of this Palmer before, he doesn't speak for blacks.
 
Morrow said:
Coming from you i'm sure this video's content is very well informed and objective.
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Nah??? I'm sure that so called "Pastor," as well as all of these morons who up in arms about this book are as throughly informed on Middle Eastern affairs as Jimmy C.
 

Not to mention, I thought Christian's were supposed to despise Jewish people for killing there "Savior."
 
The_Real_ElRoi said:
Not to mention, I thought Christian's were supposed to despise Jewish people for killing there "Savior."
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That's very false, if not for the fact that Jesus was SUPPOSED to be crusified, that was the point!

Christians ARE NOT supposed to hate Jews! That's why the US supports Isreal because we are SUPPOSED to.
 
I totally could not have said this better myself, seeing as how I am not Israeli:

... what Carter says in his book about the Israeli occupation and our treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territories -- and perhaps no less important, how he says it -- is entirely harmonious with the kind of criticism that Israelis themselves voice about their own country. There is nothing in the criticism that Carter has for Israel that has not been said by Israelis themselves.

Every Israeli, and every Jew to whom the destiny of Israel is important, is indebted to Carter for breaking the ring of hostility that had choked Israel for more than 30 years. No American president before him had dedicated himself so fully to the cause of Israel's peace and security, and, with the exception of Bill Clinton, no American president has done so since.

But is this what Carter is saying? I have read his book, and I could not help but agree -- however agonizingly so -- with most if its contents. Where I disagreed was mostly with the choice of language, including his choice of the word "apartheid."

But if we are to be fair, and as any reading of the book makes clear, Carter's use of the word "apartheid" is first and foremost metaphorical. Underlying Israel's policy in the West Bank, he argues, is not a racist ideology but rather a nationalist drive for the acquisition of land. The resulting violence, and the segregationist policies that shape life in the West Bank, are the ill-intended consequences of that drive.

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I believe this dude is completely right. "...as any reading of the book makes clear..." is key.
 
Southern Belle said:
That's why the US supports Isreal because we are SUPPOSED to.
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. I mean, I know fundementalists really think this way and it is truly scary. But they generally have the sense to not blurt it out for all to see.
 
ARealConservative said:
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. I mean, I know fundementalists really think this way and it is truly scary. But they generally have the sense to not blurt it out for all to see.
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That's what I learned, Christians are supposed to be nice to the Jews, and since the US was a Christian nation (note I said was, now we aren't exactly anymore I don't think, but kind of...) I though they are doing what they should by being friends with Israel, and helping the Jews keep their promised land.

Wait, is there really something wrong with saying that? If there is, I'm sorry, please let me know... I could be wrong, but that's how I always understood it...

Oh...did you not like me saying defending Isreal is a good thing, because are you a Christian who resents Jews? Actually Christians are supposed to be nice to everyone INCLUDING Jews. Why would you not want me to say that?

I'm trying to understand really.
 
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I believe this dude is completely right. "...as any reading of the book makes clear..." is key.
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He is not right. He is a liar who tells lies. Everyone who has eyes in the front of his head knows that he is a liar. The history events prove that he is a liar. He is one of those Jews that maybe got out of the exile but the exile didn't get out of themselves. And it's important to say that he gets money from European organizations that support him. He is no different, for example, from the spies who were sent to check the land of Israel. In every place they visit there were mass funerals. Each town they got to they saw many people going to funerals. And this is why they said that the land is a land that eats her inhabitants. They didn't know that it was God who arranged that, so they could spy the country without getting cought. They are stangers so the funerals distracted the minds of the inhabitants from them.
 


I didn't like you stating that the U.S. is supposed to defend the jews simply because they are jews. What you are describing is a theocracy and I have major problems with such a statement.

Our support should be because it is in our nations interest to do so. Period.

If you agree with the theocracy theory of our foundation, feel free to google the views of the founders on this particular issue - Specifically something from George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, or Thomas Jefferson. Let me know if you are comfortable with their position. I will keep this forum free of such thinking as promoting racism is not a particular goal of mine.
 

Oh okay, well I just figured that because Christianity is directly the other half of Judaism, They were God's chosen people, God came into human form through them and they fuffilled what was supposed to happen to Jesus, that's why Christians shouldn't hate them for killing him because he's not dead, and if they do they really don't understand the point of why he came to earth.

I'm really sorry if that's rascism, I never ever thought about it like that, it just seems right. Just because they are Jews, hmmm... I'm not saying that they can't critisize them, or something, just we should try to help them and be allies.

Theocrisy, hmmm, well I guess that would be okay along with freedom of religion too, we did it pretty well, but we are becoming secular I think, or trying to, and that'll just be that, I guess...

Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone really. I just don't like people thinking Christians are supposed to hate Jews because it's mean and it doesn't even make any sense Biblically...
 
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