Venezulan Elections Tommorow: 10 times more accurate than US ones (1 Viewer)

[LeftyHenry]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/28/ap/world/mainD8LMAFE81.shtml

Unlike with most U.S. electronic voting machines, Venezuelans will get paper receipts that verify their choices were properly recorded, and must deposit them into boxes before leaving the polls. After Sunday's vote, election officials monitored by representatives of each candidate will count millions of the paper receipts for comparison to the electronic totals.

Last month, they performed random hardware and software checks of 1 percent of the machines. Officials also will keep them disconnected from the network during the actual voting as an additional safeguard against tampering.

Digital thumbprint devices aimed at preventing the casting of multiple ballots will be used by about 40 percent of the voters in the most populous states and along Venezuela's borders, but in response to fears that thumbprints could be linked to voters' choices, the National Electoral Council says it has tweaked the software so that no record is kept of the sequence in which thumbprints are recorded.

In the United States, only some of the electronic machines used in this month's midterm elections provided voter-verified receipts. In general, the machines are considered proprietary, and vendors have restricted access to the hardware and software for independent review.

Thousands of citizens in dozens of states had problems voting, and some were left with little confidence that their choices were properly recorded.

 

[RightinNYC]

Electronic Vote Distrusted in Venezuela, Electronic Voting Stirs Suspicion in Venezuela, but Experts Say Safeguards in Place - CBS News

I dont see anywhere in there that it says "10 times more accurate" or anything even close.

Under pressure from opponents of President Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's elections council has adopted safeguards for the country's electronic voting machines to prevent tampering in Sunday's election _ conditions so strict that experts say they surpass some standards in the United States.

Thats as close at it claims.

Nevertheless, its a good sign, and I hope it turns out to be accurate.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Ya it was an exageration but this just proves the idiotic assumptions that Venezula is totalitarian as claimed by Trajan, Donkey, and Vadar wrong.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Ya it was an exageration but this just proves the idiotic assumptions that Venezula is totalitarian as claimed by Trajan, Donkey, and Vadar wrong.

In the USSR routinely about 99.8% votes were for communists. Real votes. So, the USSR was not totalitarian?
Have you heard about brainwashing and populism? About Dr. Goebbels and Comrade Stalin?

 

[Dezaad]

Ya it was an exageration but this just proves the idiotic assumptions that Venezula is totalitarian as claimed by Trajan, Donkey, and Vadar wrong.

While I agree their accusations are hyperbolic, they are probably right that Chavez isn't really allowing full democracy.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Philosopher King Pin

"Philosopher King Pin"

While I agree their accusations are hyperbolic, they are probably right that Chavez isn't really allowing full democracy.

Chavez extends executive power
For 18 months, Chavez will have the power to rule by decree to fundamentally transform the Venezuelan state and economy from a market-oriented democracy to a one-man, state-run economy.

Commentary by Sam Logan for ISN Security Watch (01/02/06)

The Venezuelan National Assembly passed on 31 January a law that will grant President Hugo Chavez the authority to enact law in that country without legislative or judicial oversight.

Why pretend as if it matters what opposition parties might think even if they could get their hands on the highly reliable ballots. :roll:

 

[LeftyHenry]

Re: Philosopher King Pin

"Philosopher King Pin"


Chavez extends executive power
For 18 months, Chavez will have the power to rule by decree to fundamentally transform the Venezuelan state and economy from a market-oriented democracy to a one-man, state-run economy.

Commentary by Sam Logan for ISN Security Watch (01/02/06)

The Venezuelan National Assembly passed on 31 January a law that will grant President Hugo Chavez the authority to enact law in that country without legislative or judicial oversight.

Why pretend as if it matters what opposition parties might think even if they could get their hands on the highly reliable ballots. :roll:

Um no, actually the National Assembly granted this to him and have the power to take it away. There is no such thing as a market-oreintated democracy, as the people are always suppressed and never control the means of production. Hugo Chavez is radically transforming Venezula from what used to be one of the poorest and most disgusting capitalist states in the region to a social republic where production meets the needs of the people not the board of directors.

 

[LeftyHenry]

In the USSR routinely about 99.8% votes were for communists. Real votes. So, the USSR was not totalitarian?
Have you heard about brainwashing and populism? About Dr. Goebbels and Comrade Stalin?

Totalitarianism doesn't exsist. The Soviet Union went through three different systems in its exsistance: Building of Socialism (Lenin), Building Socialism and Socialism in One Country (Stalin), and restoration of capitalism to State-Capitalism with Giant Safety Net (Krushchev, Brezhev, Gorbachev)

Under the last three premiers. The one party state was convenient because it allowed them to progressivly move towards capitalism with no opposition from anti-revisionists (supporters of Stalin and Mao) on the Left, or free market Capitalists on the right. Also, they wanted to preserve their system of state-capitalism as it was in their interests as an imperialist power to overcome the US.

However, Under Lenin and Stalin, real socialism was being build as in advancements towards communism: a stateless, classeless system of the future. The workers were seizing farms and factories and soviets/worker councils gained all power and made up the communist party. The Communist Party was the vanguard and reigned a dictatorship of the proletariat/masses or "proletarian democracy". Under this system, the workers were in control of state machinery and the state and oppressed the former bourgeios (ruling class) kulaks (rich peasants) and other factory and company owners who had treated peasants and workers like slaves for centuries.

The rest of the world was shocked, as aside from the very brief paris commune, no such system had exsisted before and it was a gigantic threat to the dictatorships of the bourgeiosie in the rest of the world. In the dictatorships of the bourgeiosie, only capitalist parties were able to hold power. Elections were between 1 multimillionaire businessmen or another multimillionaire laywer. Whenever the communist or socialist parties grew into a threat, they were squashed or almost squashed. Case in point, the Maoist Black Panther Party and Fred Hampton. Case in point, McCarthyism and the Red Scare of the 20s. Case in Point, Batista's media claimed Fidel died to turn people away from revolution. Case in Point, the Long March of China in which Chiang Kai-Shek US backed nationalists turned on the Communist Party and slaughtered members and continued to do so despite the fact that the fascists had invaded.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Censor Shift

"Censor Shift"

Um no, actually the National Assembly granted this to him and have the power to take it away. There is no such thing as a market-oreintated democracy, as the people are always suppressed and never control the means of production. Hugo Chavez is radically transforming Venezula from what used to be one of the poorest and most disgusting capitalist states in the region to a social republic where production meets the needs of the people not the board of directors.

Good Move: Chavez Closes Down RCTV (link) perspective rendered by a categorical dumbass

 

[bhkad]

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What a joke!



Danny Glover where are you now?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Holly Would Buries

"Holly Would Buries"

What a joke!

Danny Glover where are you now?

He is probably, hypocritically making sure his healthy bank accounts, standards of living, and private free expressions are secure.

In late May of 2007, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez gave Mr. Glover $18 million to make a movie which portrays the life of Latin American independence leader Simon Bolivar.

By law the institution should be changed from the Screen Actors Guild to the Film Actors Guild. Dumb bastards fail to realize that a political system which fails to pit necessary evils against one another -- corporate exploitations versus indiscriminant government authority -- creates a monopoly of aberrant stupidity.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Re: Censor Shift

"Censor Shift"



Good Move: Chavez Closes Down RCTV (link) perspective rendered by a categorical dumbass

good news to hear. Not just because RCTV was supporting a terrorist coup against him 2 years ago and a major force behind the coup and thus a threat to national security, and that RCTV will still be allowed to broadcast via the internet and on cable just not on basic, but because the news station is being turned over to the masses, a public community station.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Myopic Degeneracy

"Myopic Degeneracy"

good news to hear. Not just because RCTV was supporting a terrorist coup against him 2 years ago and a major force behind the coup and thus a threat to national security, and that RCTV will still be allowed to broadcast via the internet and on cable just not on basic, but because the news station is being turned over to the masses, a public community station.

Dumb bastards fail to realize that a political system which fails to pit necessary evils against one another -- corporate exploitations versus indiscriminant government authority -- creates a monopoly of aberrant stupidity.

Everyone complains about government bureauracracy and you endorse it be unopposed, in sickening spades.
Trying to convincing others that a government is there to serve them - :lol: :lol:.
What a bunch of comic strip, dimented freaks.

Chavez - the Looney Tunes Chicken Hawk And Ahmadinejad - Tweety Hyde

 

[RightinNYC]

Re: Censor Shift

because the news station is being turned over to the masses, a public community station.

You're so full of it, it's leaking out of your ears. In what alternate universe is state-run propaganda a "public community station?"

God, the hypocritical acrobatics spun by the extremists desperate to defend their pathetic idol are hilarious.

 

[akyron]

Re: Censor Shift

God, the hypocritical acrobatics spun by the extremists desperate to defend their pathetic idol are hilarious.

I personally do not find it that funny. Seeing this makes me wonder if some actually believe the emetics they discharge. Given the evident passion involved I tend to think they do.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Re: Censor Shift

You're so full of it, it's leaking out of your ears. In what alternate universe is state-run propaganda a "public community station?"

God, the hypocritical acrobatics spun by the extremists desperate to defend their pathetic idol are hilarious.

No, no, no see that's your take on it. But unfortunately, its false. Public property is precisely that PUBLIC controlled, by the masses. In a society where private property is non-exsistant it can only be run collectively for the benefit of everyone collectively. All "profits" end up paying for healthcare, for education, for bread and milk for hungry Venezulan children and etc.. while in a capitalist system it only serves the purpose paying the workers in the lowest possible fashion and then sitting in the pockets of some fat exec. Venezula obviously has private property but as the government moves to turn more property over to the proletariat, we'll see more mass control

 

[Monk-Eye]

If It Looks Like Sh1t And Smells Like Sh1t It Must Be Sh1t

"If It Looks Like Sh1t And Smells Like Sh1t It Must Be Sh1t"

No, no, no see that's your take on it. But unfortunately, its false. Public property is precisely that PUBLIC controlled, by the masses. In a society where private property is non-exsistant it can only be run collectively for the benefit of everyone collectively. All "profits" end up paying for healthcare, for education, for bread and milk for hungry Venezulan children and etc.. while in a capitalist system it only serves the purpose paying the workers in the lowest possible fashion and then sitting in the pockets of some fat exec. Venezula obviously has private property but as the government moves to turn more property over to the proletariat, we'll see more mass control

:roll: :lol:

Bureacratic collectivism is a theory of class society. It is used by some Trotskyists to describe the nature of the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, and other similar states in Central and Eastern Europe and elsewhere (such as China and Cuba).
As in state capitalism, a bureaucratic collectivist state owns the means of production, while the surplus ("profit") is distributed among an elite party bureaucracy, rather than among the workers. Also, most importantly, it is the bureaucracy - not the workers or the people in general - who controls the economy and the state. Thus, the system is not truly capitalist, but it is not socialist either. It is a new form of class society which exploits workers, in Marxist theory, through new mechanisms. Most who hold this view believe that bureaucratic collectivism does not represent progress beyond capitalism - that is, that it is no closer to being a workers' state than a capitalist state would be, and is considerably less efficient. Some even believe that certain kinds of capitalism are more progressive than a bureaucratic collectivist society.

State Capitalism, in its classic meaning, is a private capitalist economy under state control. This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.[1] This term is also used by some heterodox economists to describe a society wherein the productive forces are owned and run by a state in a capitalist way, even if such a state chooses to call itself socialist.[3]

Within Marxist literature, state capitalism is usually defined in the latter sense: as a social system combining capitalism — the wage system of producing and appropriating surplus value — with ownership by a state apparatus. By that definition, a state capitalist country is a country where the government controls the economy and essentially acts like a single giant corporation.

Henery Hawk is nothing more than a bureaucratic collective feigning nationist legitimacy by pandering to diction ignorance in use of the term socialism. The government is a society unto itself.
Sarcastically, trust them, they are thinking in your best interests. :roll: :lol:

How did you get from feeding, clothing, educating, and medicating the poor children to the fat capitalist being responsible for every amenity: cars, cable, air conditioning?

Rules against unfair trade practices exist because extremes exist.
Advocating monopoly by removing counterbalances is ignorance.

 

[Australianlibertarian]

Re: Censor Shift

good news to hear. Not just because RCTV was supporting a terrorist coup against him 2 years ago and a major force behind the coup and thus a threat to national security, and that RCTV will still be allowed to broadcast via the internet and on cable just not on basic, but because the news station is being turned over to the masses, a public community station.

So if members of the TV station did support the coup, why didn't Chavez just prosecute the employees that supported, and aided the coup?

Just saddens me that you can rationalise the censorship of views. I'm assuming that you wouldn't tolerate political censorship or bias from privately owned media in the U.S, so why would you tolerate censorship from Chavez, because he says so? Don't try to argue that the station was a threat to the people, because if that was the case the people would have democratically voted to shut the station down, instead of Chavez saying so.

 

[RightinNYC]

Re: Censor Shift

No, no, no see that's your take on it. But unfortunately, its false. Public property is precisely that PUBLIC controlled, by the masses. In a society where private property is non-exsistant it can only be run collectively for the benefit of everyone collectively. All "profits" end up paying for healthcare, for education, for bread and milk for hungry Venezulan children and etc.. while in a capitalist system it only serves the purpose paying the workers in the lowest possible fashion and then sitting in the pockets of some fat exec. Venezula obviously has private property but as the government moves to turn more property over to the proletariat, we'll see more mass control

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What the hell are you talking about? You didn't even respond to my post, just talked about something completely off topic.

I asked you:

In what alternate universe is state-run propaganda a "public community station?"

 

[cherokee]

Re: Censor Shift

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What the hell are you talking about? You didn't even respond to my post, just talked about something completely off topic.

I asked you:

In what alternate universe is state-run propaganda a "public community station?"

It’s the made up one located inside Lefty's brain.

 

[Karmashock]

Ya it was an exageration but this just proves the idiotic assumptions that Venezula is totalitarian as claimed by Trajan, Donkey, and Vadar wrong.

We'll see after the election.


Further it should be noted that the title of your article is this:

Electronic Vote Distrusted in Venezuela
Electronic voting stirs suspicion in Venezuela, but experts say safeguards in place