Venezuela’s democratic SOCIALIST façade has completely crumbled

[NoLeftNoRight]

No matter how much sugar coating they attempt to add....
No matter how many erroneous examples of countries supposedly are doing fine under it.....

In the end, this is what it looks like.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/hugo-chavezs-long-con/2016/07/01/26e8b690-3f8c-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html#comments

 

[joG]

No matter how much sugar coating they attempt to add....
No matter how many erroneous examples of countries supposedly are doing fine under it.....

In the end, this is what it looks like.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/hugo-chavezs-long-con/2016/07/01/26e8b690-3f8c-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html#comments

That chavez would harm the country badly, was obvious from the beginning. He had a lot of money coming in from raw materials with which he was able to prop up his misbegotten policies for much longer than he otherwise could have.

 

[PirateMk1]

That chavez would harm the country badly, was obvious from the beginning. He had a lot of money coming in from raw materials with which he was able to prop up his misbegotten policies for much longer than he otherwise could have.

Sad thing is the Venezuela population bought the **** he was selling hook line and sinker.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

No matter how much sugar coating they attempt to add....
No matter how many erroneous examples of countries supposedly are doing fine under it.....

In the end, this is what it looks like.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/hugo-chavezs-long-con/2016/07/01/26e8b690-3f8c-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html#comments

Except for the fact that unlike ALL the first-world democracies (including America), Venezuela is NOT a modern, stable socialized democracy. Trying to use Venezuela as an example of socialism is like trying to use the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as an example of democracy and republicanism.

You know this already...but since the word "socialist" is SO doggone scary to you, you can't get yourself to look at how much you yourself have personally benefited from patently socialist programs in America, much less how great a part socialism plays in our national infrastructure.

 

[humbolt]

Except for the fact that unlike ALL the first-world democracies (including America), Venezuela is NOT a modern, stable socialized democracy. Trying to use Venezuela as an example of socialism is like trying to use the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as an example of democracy and republicanism.

You know this already...but since the word "socialist" is SO doggone scary to you, you can't get yourself to look at how much you yourself have personally benefited from patently socialist programs in America, much less how great a part socialism plays in our national infrastructure.

Yeah, but so does facism, racism, sexism, ism-ism, and everything else. We're still capitalist at the end of the day. I was a socialist to some extent with my children, but I was a pure capitalist with my employees. My employees weren't surprised when I practiced a little socialism, and my children understood from the start that a quid pro quo was the norm. Your argument is vacuous. People can and do lift themselves up and better their lot in life here all the time, even now. People in Venezuela don't really have that option just now. Socialism actually might work at some point in the future as an economic system, but it's obvious that we're no where near that point right now.

 

[joG]

Sad thing is the Venezuela population bought the **** he was selling hook line and sinker.

As seemingly do those supoorting Sanders

 

[Casper]

As seemingly do those supoorting Sanders

Who lost in the Primaries.

 

[DamnYankee]

Venezuela’s democratic SOCIALIST façade has completely crumbled

This won't deter the ignorant left from trying just one more time. All the while expecting different results of course.

 

[PoS]

Well, the people voted for Maduro ...so I have no sympathy whatsoever for them, they deserve what's coming.

 

[LowDown]

Except for the fact that unlike ALL the first-world democracies (including America), Venezuela is NOT a modern, stable socialized democracy. Trying to use Venezuela as an example of socialism is like trying to use the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as an example of democracy and republicanism.

You know this already...but since the word "socialist" is SO doggone scary to you, you can't get yourself to look at how much you yourself have personally benefited from patently socialist programs in America, much less how great a part socialism plays in our national infrastructure.

Comparing countries with high levels of government service with socialist governments is a false equivalence. There's really no comparison. In a socialist country the government is in control of the economy and of industry. It's in this, and not in government services, that all the damage is done. Before this stage in Venezuela Chavez had nationalized hundreds of industries and every one of them was run into the ground. It left Venezuela with no reserves of productivity or supply. That sort of thing doesn't happen in countries that leave production and services in private hands. That some government programs are done well in the US is not a success of socialism. That Sweden, et al., are doing OK is not a success of socialism. Saying that socialism should be done as they do it in northern Europe is tantamount to saying that socialism should not be done at all. Show me a success of socialism in which the government actually ran all or most of the means of production and controlled the economy and you'll have a case.

 

[code1211]

Except for the fact that unlike ALL the first-world democracies (including America), Venezuela is NOT a modern, stable socialized democracy. Trying to use Venezuela as an example of socialism is like trying to use the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as an example of democracy and republicanism.

You know this already...but since the word "socialist" is SO doggone scary to you, you can't get yourself to look at how much you yourself have personally benefited from patently socialist programs in America, much less how great a part socialism plays in our national infrastructure.

I love it when the real world evidence counters the make believe world of Liberalism, Liberals discard the real world evidence..

 

[code1211]

Yeah, but so does facism, racism, sexism, ism-ism, and everything else. We're still capitalist at the end of the day. I was a socialist to some extent with my children, but I was a pure capitalist with my employees. My employees weren't surprised when I practiced a little socialism, and my children understood from the start that a quid pro quo was the norm. Your argument is vacuous. People can and do lift themselves up and better their lot in life here all the time, even now. People in Venezuela don't really have that option just now. Socialism actually might work at some point in the future as an economic system, but it's obvious that we're no where near that point right now.

All of the non-self reliance ism's seem to miss the point that in the real world, we are trying to govern people who are motivated by self interest.

If you penalize the workers and the producers and reward the indolent and the takers, the system is doomed before it ever starts. But only in the real world.

In a dream world, rewarding bad stuff and penalizing good stuff works every time.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Ah yes...I knew the "Socialist is awesome, [insert socialist country] just did it wrong" would show up.

 

[joG]

Who lost in the Primaries.

Lucky. Huh?

 

[Casper]

Lucky. Huh?

This Time...............but then again we are not much better off with what we ended up with.

 

[joG]

This Time...............but then again we are not much better off with what we ended up with.

Not much.

 

[ARealConservative]

 

[poweRob]

More conservatives at war with the dictionary. No surprises here.

 

[ARealConservative]

More conservatives at war with the dictionary. No surprises here.

I have no idea what you are ranting about, but I have been on this forum quite a while and seen my fair share of liberals defending Chavez.

they will likely rather not be reminded of that now though.

 

[NoLeftNoRight]

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And let's not forget his boot licking in Cuba.
Regressives see absolutely nothing wrong with this photo. Any surprises there?

There comes a time when good men MUST defend their way of life against enemies foreign and domestic.
Or accept their place as the oppressed and as servants to tyrants.

 

[poweRob]

I have no idea what you are ranting about, but I have been on this forum quite a while and seen my fair share of liberals defending Chavez.

they will likely rather not be reminded of that now though.

Not this one you haven't. Chavez was a dip**** and this guy maduro is even worse. Every week or two we see idiot conservatives hold up venezuela the poster child for democratic socialism... because they have a knack at cherry picking words to demonize I stead of trying to actually think to debate... hence they are at war with he dictionary as usual.

But they tend to be at war with history books and science books as well so it's just par for the course that they hate Webster's as well.

 

[Tigerace117]

And let's not forget his boot licking in Cuba.
Regressives see absolutely nothing wrong with this photo. Any surprises there?

There comes a time when good men MUST defend their way of life against enemies foreign and domestic.
Or accept their place as the oppressed and as servants to tyrants.

You do realize you can hate the way a country works and still be friendly, right?

 

[fmw]

Except for the fact that unlike ALL the first-world democracies (including America), Venezuela is NOT a modern, stable socialized democracy. Trying to use Venezuela as an example of socialism is like trying to use the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as an example of democracy and republicanism..

Venezuela is an actual socialist country. Government has nationalized most major businesses. It is the real thing. The same can be said for N Korea. When you have the economy actually managed by the government, this is what you get. Remember it also failed in the USSR and China, both of which are now capitalist countries.

 

[Patrickt]

Sad thing is the Venezuela population bought the **** he was selling hook line and sinker.

The U.S. voted Barack Obama in twice and Venezuela is his dream for the U.S.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Venezuela is an actual socialist country. Government has nationalized most major businesses. It is the real thing. The same can be said for N Korea. When you have the economy actually managed by the government, this is what you get. Remember it also failed in the USSR and China, both of which are now capitalist countries.

And still you cannot see your glaring error. Venezuela is not a stable socialized democracy, as are ALL first-world democracies (including America). North Korea is not and never has been a socialist nation - it's a dictatorship that pretends to be communist. Same thing with the USSR - it was a dictatorship that pretended to be communist. China is a dictatorship that still somehow pretends to be communist even though it's in many ways more capitalist than America.

In other words, you obviously don't know what socialized democracy IS, even though - assuming you've been an American all your life - you've lived in one all your life. What's more, you don't even know what socialism (not socialized democracy, but socialism - note the difference) is, nor do you know what communism really is.

I do not and have never supported communism - even if it's implemented as it was actually designed (which has NEVER been done), it could never work - it's every bit as incompatible with macro-scale human nature as is its polar opposite, libertarianism.

All you know are labels...but by your post above, you have no clue what the labels actually mean.