-Demosthenes-
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Much like the situation you explained earlier. Someone touches a burner and they pull away with out any conscience thought of it, animals can feel pain and pull away, and avoid future similar situations without much conscience thought.Kelzie said:If they don't comprehend it, than why do they act on it?
Plants also react to harm... makes you think eh? Just because they react doesn't mean they think.
Because they are sentient human being.So what if the brain is still working. They still don't feel pain. Why is it wrong to kill them?
Since you have absolutely no way to prove this, I'll just let it go. And it's IRRELEVANT as you are so fond of saying.
Early man (human man, as I might need to clarify) did use tools. It's easily proven through archaeological science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human said:The original human lifestyle is hunting-gathering...
http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_3.htm said:The earliest archaic Homo sapiens continued to make tools mostly in the Acheulian trendition.
1) If you implied that Humans were all the same species you didn't mean to? Humans are one species, it's the common name for Homo sapien sapien. When we were talking about humans and their tools we were talking about them.Kelzie said:If I implied somewhere that we were the same species, I didn't mean to. However, they are our direct evolutionary ancestors, and as such we share many characteristics. The ancestors of horses were herbivores. Horses today are herbivores. The ancestors of tigers were carnivores. Tigers are carnivores. The ancestors of bears were omnivores. Bears are omnivores.
2) The next step in evolution doesn't necessarily share all of it's traits with the last. Humans don't share all their traits with with the species they evolved from (that's is as a matter of fact why they are a different species).
Example:
http://oceanlink.island.net/ask/odontoceti.html#Anchor:%20cows said:Scientists believe that whales/dolphins evolved from even toed ungulates (hoofed animals) which includes modern day cows and deer. these early animals were carnivorous much like todays wolves but their feet were like those of cows and horses.
Hmmmmm, if this carnivorous hoofed animal evolved into both herbivore cows and deer and carnivorous dolphins that means that carnivores can evolve into herbivores and vica versa. All animals evolved from the same organism anyway, and it just doesn't make sense that everything that it evolved into has to eat the same stuff
So, early humans (humans, not apes) had tools and hunted and gathered, so they ate meat. And herbivores can evolve into carnivores (or omnivores).
Again, it doesn't matter. (irrelevant )Kelzie said:We did share a common ancestor, but regardless, our ancestors have been herbivores for 3.8 million years.
Nature? Nature is doing a good job of taking care of animals? Are you suggesting that animals eating each other is better than people eating them?Kelzie said:Seriously, animals do just fine without human interference. They always have. It's called nature.
Isn't this damage caused more by a lack of vitamins and minerals found in non-meat foods when people eat too much meat, and not because of the meat itself?aquapub said:With this, and the horrific damage that meat does to your liver