Uvalde shooting: Texas police change key details as criticism mounts

[Somerville]

Obviously, the Texas Dept of Public Safety needs more professional front people. You know, those who can prevaricate easily and when the facts are found to contradict earlier statements, the PR flack can 'easily' explain the differences.

Uvalde shooting: Texas police change key details as criticism mounts​

Police in Texas have revised key details about Tuesday's deadly school shooting as criticism mounts from parents over the initial response.
The gunman roamed outside the Uvalde school for 12 minutes before entering unchallenged, police said on Thursday.
That contradicted earlier statements which said the attacker had been confronted and shot at by an officer.
He killed 19 children and two teachers before he was shot dead 90 minutes after he arrived, police said.
That delay, combined with video footage showing frustrated parents being tackled and handcuffed by police while the gunman was still inside the school, has led to growing public anger and scrutiny of the early response.
It has also called into question claims by state Governor Greg Abbott, who earlier this week hailed the "quick response" of "valiant local officials" who he said had engaged the gunman before he entered the school. "They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire," he said.

On Friday's edition of MSNBC's "Morning Joe," former New York City police commissioner William Bratton tore into Texas law enforcement for their repeated mixed messages and false claims surrounding the officer response to the Uvalde school shooting.

In particular, Bratton said that the information Texas authorities are giving out is simply not adequate to explain what happened.

"My question to you has to do with ... that 12 minutes between the time the car crashes, he crashes the car, and he gets into the school," said anchor Mike Barnicle. "A full 10 minutes outside of the school. Ten minutes after the 911 call was first registered. This is a small town, as you pointed out. There's no traffic. There's no congestion at that hour. How bothersome is it to you that within that 10-minute package of time, 12 minutes in total, that nobody, apparently, responds to a shooter at a school?"

What type of training are these LEO's being given?

Mom says cops handcuffed her instead of saving kids during Texas school shooting​

Yeah, what was their training?

A child who survived the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas has shared the harrowing details of what happened when the gunman walked into his classroom.
[. . .]
Even after police came, the child recalled, he and his classmates were still not safe. In fact, the killing continued.

“When the cops came, the cop said, ‘Yell if you need help!’” he said. “And one of the persons in my class said ‘Help.’ The guy overheard and he came in and shot her.”

At that point, the massacre finally met its bloody conclusion.

“The cop barged into that classroom,” the fourth-grader remembered. “The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.”

 

[PoS]

If it's found that some of those cops didnt go in when they should have, then they ought to not just be fired, but be sued by the parents who lost their children because of their cowardice.

 

[Dayton3]

Police (and other professionals) absolutely hate it when confronted by a crowd of people demanding that they do something.

 

[Dayton3]

If it's found that some of those cops didnt go in when they should have, then they ought to not just be fired, but be sued by the parents who lost their children because of their cowardice.

Cops are not soldiers despite their uniforms and weapons. They do not tend to like going TOWARD gunfire unless they have an overwhelming advantage.

 

[PoS]

Cops are not soldiers despite their uniforms and weapons. They do not tend to like going TOWARD gunfire unless they have an overwhelming advantage.

Cops are supposed to serve and protect their community. If they arent willing to put their lives on the line, then they shouldnt be cops.

 

[TobyOne]

Yes. Their first priority is to protect themselves. Although, one would hope that in the face of obvious massive death a cop would ball up and do something. Some apparently did.

Cops are not soldiers despite their uniforms and weapons. They do not tend to like going TOWARD gunfire unless they have an overwhelming advantage.

 

[CharloTexan]

Police (and other professionals) absolutely hate it when confronted by a crowd of people demanding that they do something.

Yes, I remember an incident up in Minneapolis a couple years ago, ...... Floyd something. Police officers seemed very annoyed that standers by were attempting to inject themselves into their work-a-day activities.

 

[mike2810]

Cops are supposed to serve and protect their community. If they arent willing to put their lives on the line, then they shouldnt be cops.

Please explain more what you believe "putting their lives on the line means".
How specifically would you have responded (assuming you were the LEO)?

 

[rahl]

Cops are supposed to serve and protect their community. If they arent willing to put their lives on the line, then they shouldnt be cops.

I agree with this sentiment, but the supreme court has ruled that cops have no actual duty or obligation to protect citizens. So they can't be sued in this instance. They should definitely be fired, but they can face no legal consequences. They have qualified immunity.

 

[Master Debator]

Cops are not soldiers despite their uniforms and weapons. They do not tend to like going TOWARD gunfire unless they have an overwhelming advantage.

Which kind of tempers all the arguments for all these good guys with guns we're supposed to be relying on rather than common sense gun control.

 

[PoS]

Please explain more what you believe "putting their lives on the line means".
How specifically would you have responded (assuming you were the LEO)?

IF I was a cop in that situation I would have gone in (assuming I had the training and weapons they had).

I agree with this sentiment, but the supreme court has ruled that cops have no actual duty or obligation to protect citizens. So they can't be sued in this instance. They should definitely be fired, but they can face no legal consequences. They have qualified immunity.

Well I think the SC is wrong. And so is qualified immunity- cops and any other gubmint worker should be stripped of it.

 

[rahl]

Well I think the SC is wrong. And so is qualified immunity- cops and any other gubmint worker should be stripped of it.

I 100% agree.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Cops are supposed to serve and protect their community. If they arent willing to put their lives on the line, then they shouldnt be cops.

Time to start advocating for soldiers to stand guard at American schools, since police are falling short?

 

[The AntiDonald]

If it's found that some of those cops didnt go in when they should have, then they ought to not just be fired, but be sued by the parents who lost their children because of their cowardice.

Qualified immunity will likely protect them from suits. Texas will protect them from everything else. It was a botched response from what we've learned so far.

We're learning more from traumatized 10-year old's than we are from ranking Texas law enforcement or even the governor.

They know their draconian gun laws contributed to this mass shooting. They will do everything possible to confuse the police response.

 

[noonereal]

Obviously, the Texas Dept of Public Safety needs more professional front people. You know, those who can prevaricate easily and when the facts are found to contradict earlier statements, the PR flack can 'easily' explain the differences.





What type of training are these LEO's being given?

Mom says cops handcuffed her instead of saving kids during Texas school shooting​

Yeah, what was their training?

Everything in TX is as broken as is the Department of Public Safety.

Seriously. Think electric grid.

The problem is "independance."

Those ass holes don't want to be taxed and thus is what you get. Independence from competence.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Maybe those cops have kids and didn't want to leave them parentless.

 

[poweRob]

If it's found that some of those cops didnt go in when they should have, then they ought to not just be fired, but be sued by the parents who lost their children because of their cowardice.

Don't they have qualified immunity?

*Edit... I see this is already addressed.

 

[noonereal]

Time to start advocating for soldiers to stand guard at American schools, since police are falling short?

Schools should be relocated underground with but one entrance patrolled by a platoon of active duty specialists.

Or

We could simply throw the second out the ****in window where an honest court would have thrown it hundreds of years ago.

 

[mike2810]

IF I was a cop in that situation I would have gone in (assuming I had the training and weapons they had).


Well I think the SC is wrong. And so is qualified immunity- cops and any other gubmint worker should be stripped of it.

Would you enter even when the you are being fired at by the perp?

A review is needed. but until a report shows the LEO acted improperly I think people should stop and think more.

Now if is shown a cop ran away because of being scared, that is one thing..
Taking a careful safety approuch to entering a building while under fire is another.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Schools should be relocated underground with but one entrance patrolled by a platoon of active duty specialists.

Or

We could simply throw the second out the ****in window where an honest court would have thrown it hundreds of years ago.

Right? The only way to secure our gun rights AND the safety of the public is to turn America into an armed military state.

I mean hey - freeberty isn't free.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Maybe those cops have kids and didn't want to leave them parentless.

In today's society, if that's how a cop thinks, time for a different job. They knew the risks when they took the oath.

 

[CaughtInThe]

In today's society, if that's how a cop thinks, time for a different job. They knew the risks when they took the oath.

No Doubt. But they have to know how dangerous an active shooter scene is with the kinds of weapons that people have been using.

Which also means, of course, that fourth graders during math class have no chance.

 

[noonereal]

In today's society, if that's how a cop thinks, time for a different job. They knew the risks when they took the oath.

You think cops of the past were differant?
Lol

 

[reinaert]

I see no reason to blame people for being afraid of being shot to death. It is a healthy, rational fear when faced with a well armed gunman intent on doing mass murder.

All this really illustrates is the depraved indifference and empty illogic of the 'good guys with guns' dodge.

All that written, we can finally be done with the rhetoric about how Tamir Rice and Susan Bland and Eric Garner had to die, because fear for police lives, right?

 

[The AntiDonald]

You think cops of the past were differant?
Lol

Yes. The cops of today go through much more rigorous training, or at least they're supposed to. They are outfitted with all the modern equipment. Things changed in police protocol after Columbine HS.