Loxd4
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Where did the Soviet Union fail at make a utopia? And how could a utopia be made? Is it imposable to make?
There's a myriad of reasons why the Soviets failed at creating a utopia. Most of them can be summed up by the fact that a large and powerful centralized government was necessary to carry out their socialistic policies and it couldn't bear the burden of it's own weight.Loxd4 said:Where did the Soviet Union fail at make a utopia? And how could a utopia be made? Is it imposable to make?
So where did Soviets fail at make a utopia. And could a government as a human being ever get over it selfish nature, and is solicits and dictatorship like a utopia.The Real McCoy said:There's a myriad of reasons why the Soviets failed at creating a utopia. Most of them can be summed up by the fact that a large and powerful centralized government was necessary to carry out their socialistic policies and it couldn't bear the burden of it's own weight.
As for creating a utopia: due to people's selfish nature, a utopia is impossible... the only way I could envision a real utopia forming is if human nature evolves beyond our current self-centeredness and I don't see that happening for quite awhile.
Since government's are made up of human beings, corruption is inevitable. And the only way a dictatorship could possibly be a utopia is if some Jesus-like figure was in charge.Loxd4 said:So where did Soviets fail at make a utopia. And could a government as a human being ever get over it selfish nature, and is solicits and dictatorship like a utopia.
Marx failed to make the connection that man is inherently evil and lustful of power so the evolution into a stateless system is impossible due to the fact that once given the power those in power will not give it up.Loxd4 said:Where did the Soviet Union fail at make a utopia? And how could a utopia be made? Is it imposable to make?
Utopia is impossible, big government is not the answer and I would affirm that individualism is the best way to go.Loxd4 said:Ok, what is the close you can get to a utopia in a government with humans flaws allowed? And is the Amish life style like a utopia. And if so I know they haven’t perfected it yet but could it be a big government in the near future.
I say a libertarian society (not to be confused with all out anarchy) but that's just my humble opinion that the socialists will always demonize.Loxd4 said:Ok, what is the close you can get to a utopia in a government with humans flaws allowed? And is the Amish life style like a utopia. And if so I know they haven’t perfected it yet but could it be a big government in the near future.
What type of government dose the Amish have? And you this work in a bigger goverment?Trajan Octavian Titus said:Utopia is impossible, big government is not the answer and I would affirm that individualism is the best way to go.
I don't really know to much about the Amish but I don't really see living in a world devoid of technology as a utopia.Loxd4 said:What type of government dose the Amish have? And you this work in a bigger goverment?
Too big, repressive govt., recession in economy(reminds me of business cycles in capitalism).Where did the Soviet Union fail at make a utopia?
YesIs it imposable to make?
Indeed it does, so its impossible to make a nowhere society.Well, Utopia means: Nowhere.
You're assuming it followed it.Following Marxist ideology was an intrinsic setback
He actually did this better than many, he made it connected to capitalism, it couldn't work without it. And this is why the Utopian Socialist movement isn't a popular idea now, nor was Marx for it for those reasons.Marx failed to make the connection that man is inherently evil and lustful of power
Communalism is best.big government is not the answer and I would affirm that individualism is the best way to go.
ALL govt. sucks.Big government sucks.
Somehow I don't see that working on a larger scale. Think about it, how would you get everyone on earth to choose one job? I mean being forced to be a farmer or a laborer isn't my idea of paradise.Loxd4 said:Barter System Government without no money…Everyone is equal at the beginning of life to the day the die. The government would be self efficient by the people. People that work would receive food. No work no food will be served to them. The more they work the more receive.
What type of government is this? Is this a new type or a Utopia?
So the people that work have food the people that don't have none. So the people that don't kill those that do and take what they want..... That should work out brilliantlyLoxd4 said:Barter System Government without no money…Everyone is equal at the beginning of life to the day the die. The government would be self efficient by the people. People that work would receive food. No work no food will be served to them. The more they work the more receive.
What type of government is this? Is this a new type or a Utopia?
Best quote I ever seen...but what if you kick the people out that do not work...so they cant killCalm2Chaos said:So the people that work have food the people that don't have none. So the people that don't kill those that do and take what they want..... That should work out brilliantly
ya but how do you decide who gets to make that decision? Better yet how do you decide which people get to decide which people get to eat and which do not? This in itself would put in the neccessity of a state and then you got the Soviet Union all over again because if history has taught us anything it's that the state can not be trusted.Loxd4 said:Best quote I ever seen...but what if you kick the people out that do not work...so they cant kill
So a neuro-surgeon who has to go through over a decade of post high-school education and a mindless drone who operates a cashier should get an equal amount of food? There'd be no incentive whatsoever to attain high-level jobs like lawyers and doctors.Loxd4 said::2wave: The people would make there own decides just like in capitalism. They would work, leave or starve, so you would have a choice in the matter. The people that work, gets an equal amount of food. No work, no food!
Where does entrepreneurship and investing in new pro-growth ideas factor in to your plan?Loxd4 said:And ever one would have a job, but of course different jobs would have different standers. If a person wants to change jobs like the average American dose s/he would have to wait for a job opening just like in the U.S. In this government you are open free to come and go. To come you must work and to go there need’s no reason for that…beside you want to go or you are a free loader. If one person works harder then the other I can move up on the credit line. Credit line would work like money in the USA to buy stuff people want…not need because everything that a person need is equal given thought out the government. :spin: That is how the government would work and if you need people understanding this...please ask and i should have an answer...and would this be an know type of government or what is this type called and would this be better the other government.
Absolutely. But that's about all they'd have.Loxd4 said:Well is there any way to have capitalism but make sure everyone has food and shelter? And maybe even have no unemployment?
What do you mean by this saying........The Real McCoy said:Absolutely. But that's about all they'd have.