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Very interesting coming from a libertarian. I would think you'd find other options to make up the difference like home schooling.That's one way to balance the education budget, cut back the number of years of free education. Maybe cutting the number of school days per year would help, too.
Then, we could find out that ignorance really is a lot more expensive than schooling.
Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether // Current
I think it's a good idea, a lot of time is wasted in senior year doing fun and not necessarily educational stuff.
Is this what the majority of students take?You mean like taking AP courses and exams?
Applications are done at home.Taking honors courses while making University application and transcript deadlines.
Done at home.Writing college admissions personal essays, and getting teacher recommendations...
Isn't working for California.Taking U.S. Government and Economics...(in Californian, these are required of all 12th Graders)
Done outside of school.Doing community service projects.
Not done during school hours anyway.Senior year is usually critical to those looking for a scholarship--athletic, performing arts.
Like Californians?Utah has their collective head up their ass.
Get alarmed much?Being that we are falling behind on education compared to most other modern industrialized nations, perhaps instead of doing away with the 12 grade to save a buck, why don't we keep seniors busy and challenged academically through the 12th grade.
I would suspect that most people behind doing away with the 12th grade are those that disagree with the entire notion of a public education system. Of course in that case, its not out of pragmatism, but rather some irrational opposition to all things government. I really think it should just be diagnosed as a phobia and treated for lunacy that it is. Nations that don't have a public education system are not exactly a paradise. In fact, they are pretty much all 3rd world **** holes.
For the extreme libertarians, the idea is not to just do away with the 12th Grade, its to do away with the entire public school system. You see it will start with this, and then they will just say "well if you want to go through the 12th grade they can just charge you a fee for it" and then on down the tubes with the whole thing.
Why not encourage homeschooling? Statistics say home schoolers are better educated and plus it costs the state nothing. Schools have become nothing but a center for undisciplined teens to do everything but school. I blame the culture and the education system. Self discipline is on the decline, and without that we are going to fail in many more areas than education.
Is this what the majority of students take?
Applications are done at home.
Done at home.
Isn't working for California.
Done outside of school.
Not done during school hours anyway.
Do you really believe that 1 year less of high school equals ignorance?
I had to take and pass my graduation exams in 11th grade.
If I pass them then what was the point of 12th grade?
I screwed around a lot between 9-11th grade, enough to put me behind a year and a half(in credits) but I still passed my graduation test in 11th grade.
If you can pass the graduation test, you should be able to move on.
Comparing a country with no real history of education with one that does have a history of some real form of education does not make a good argument.
United States ≠ 3rd world country
And just to stop you short, we weren't a 3rd world country before we had government schools.
Very interesting coming from a libertarian. I would think you'd find other options to make up the difference like home schooling.
Why not encourage homeschooling? Statistics say home schoolers are better educated and plus it costs the state nothing. Schools have become nothing but a center for undisciplined teens to do everything but school. I blame the culture and the education system. Self discipline is on the decline, and without that we are going to fail in many more areas than education.
Some things have to be done collectively, i.e., by the government. Education is one of them. The Libertarian in me would close the federal Department of Education, but the states need to provide public education.
Well if we continue to pay governors and other state representatives more than they're worth while they cut funding for education just so they can vote themselves cost of living raises what's the point in having government in the first place?
I agree -- depending on you goals in life.
But there are some real-world college requirements that most people can't make in 3 years.
Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether // Current
I think it's a good idea, a lot of time is wasted in senior year doing fun and not necessarily educational stuff.
So you did graduate afterall. :lol:9 more grades to cut before they catch up with Arkansas. :mrgreen:
United States ≠ 3rd world country yet. We're working on it, and one of the problems is that our education system is behind that of many other countries.
BTW, just how long do you think we've had "government" schools in this country? Try looking up the "Old Deluder Satan Act" and see.
9 more grades to cut before they catch up with Arkansas. :mrgreen:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_School_Laws"]Good. There's more:[/ame]That's mostly because everyone keeps holding on to these arcane ideas that everyone must go to a single school with a fix curriculum.
Teacher pay in the U.S. is at the very least on par or better than other countries that are surpassing us.
So it's not anything other than parents and the inflexibility of our schools.
"It held parents and masters responsible for their children's and apprentices' ability to read and write, stressing education rather than schooling. However, its implementation appears to have been somewhat neglected."
Massachusetts School Laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The sounds fine to me, in fact I agree with it.
It doesn't require kids to attend government schools but requires that parents must teach their kids to read and write.
I can get behind that.
The 1647 legislation specifically framed ignorance as a Satanic ill to be circumvented through the education of the country's young people. It required every town having more than 50 families to hire a teacher, and every town of more than 100 families to establish a "grammar school". Failure to comply with the mandate would result in a fine of £5.
The most famous by far is the law of 1647, also known as the Old Deluder Satan Law (after the law's first sentence) and The General School Law of 1647. They are commonly regarded as the historical first step toward compulsory government-directed public education in the United States of America.
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