US town bars foreign flags in swipe at immigrants [title changed] (1 Viewer)

[GarzaUK]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061116/us_nm/usa_immigration_flags_dc

Shocking, absolutely shocking :shock: . Anyone else annoyed by this attack on civil liberties or I'm alone here lol??

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061116/us_nm/usa_immigration_flags_dc

Shocking, absolutely shocking :shock: . Anyone else annoyed by this attack on civil liberties or I'm alone here lol??

Almost as annoying as seeing illegal immigrants waving Mexican flags and pictures of Che Guevara at protests against legislation for the enforcement of our own damn borders and it's almost as offensive that the reason why these people wave these flags is because they think that the south west should be returned to Mexico and they want to restore Aztlan an since they can't do it militarily they'll do it through migration until Americans are the ones in the minority. But hay by all means I hope they take the suit to court and then the judge asks them for their social security card and deports their asses.

 

[Deegan]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

Not at all, unlike Europe, we are not going to allow states with-in states to pop up, where people try to take over by force, and even have the nerve to fly other countries flags. If you are so proud of your country, go back there and support them, don't let the door knob hit ya, where the good lord split ya!:2wave:

I might add, as a mod, you should follow the silly rule about the title, yours is misleading of course!

 

[GarzaUK]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

Not at all, unlike Europe, we are not going to allow states with-in states to pop up, where people try to take over by force, and even have the nerve to fly other countries flags. If you are so proud of your country, go back there and support them, don't let the door knob hit ya, where the good lord split ya!:2wave:

If America is a melting pot of cultures, why can't people celebrate their own ancestoral culture.

What next? Banning the Irish flag on St Paddy's Day, or a confederate flag. Everyone should be free to show their expressions, and that includes past national heritage.

 

[Deegan]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

If America is a melting pot of cultures, why can't people celebrate their own ancestoral culture.

What next? Banning the Irish flag on St Paddy's Day, or a confederate flag. Everyone should be free to show their expressions, and that includes past national heritage.

The Irish bars here in Chicago, they all fly the U.S flag as well, it's part of dancing with the one who brought you, these people just want to create unrest, and fix your link mod.:roll:

 

[Morrow]

It won't take long before that law gets the smack down as unconstitutional.

 

[doughgirl]

The town has every right to do this.

This is America. Although there are minorities that speak other languages we are an English speaking country. English is the language that the MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS SPEAK.

That fact shouldn't even be debated. In my state, Arizona we had to vote this past election whether or not English was the official language of the state. What a crock.

We shouldn't have to pay for everything translated in 8 different languages. English has always been the primary means of assimilating millions of immigrants into American society. One language promotes unity, the same way one currency does. You want to live in America.... be proud of your heritage by speaking your native language BUT.....LEARN ENGLISH.

Thankfully Arizona citizens voted English as the primary language.

The article states, "The meeting also pushed through measures to deny services to illegal immigrants"

What word stands out in that sentence? Could it be ILLEGAL????? What is wrong with denying services to people who do not meet the requirements?

They are here ILLEGALLY.

Its damn time that towns across the country send a message to Washington and to those who are here ILLEGALLY.

As for flying flags.......any private club or restaurant should be able to fly any flag. But any government building, school, any business that gets government funding.......should fly the American flag only.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

If America is a melting pot of cultures, why can't people celebrate their own ancestoral culture.

What next? Banning the Irish flag on St Paddy's Day, or a confederate flag. Everyone should be free to show their expressions, and that includes past national heritage.

You're absolutely right, it is a complete bias against the mexican ethnicity for a dominant portion of the population. However with the state of Arizona, this is one of those situations where the opposite holds true as well. Being that these illegals refuse assimilation of any form. Contrarily they believe that Arizona and all the southwest is all thiers. Though this does hold true to a certain extent, it is completely untrue for them to believe they have the right to act in the way in which they do. This is brought on by the fact that A) many of the ppl whom oppose them are racist bigots B) they've reached a saturation point of the population where they feel that it is they who should be making the rules and refusing to abide by pre-established guidlines. This is simply unacceptable on any rationalizable level because it was by thier "choice" to hop the fence cross the desert into the urban districts of Arizona hence it is then your duty to abide by the establishments already set up.
Yet they refuse to do any thing except for the incorrperation of thier own self governing - completely unacceptable.
Sure the only thing that really sets them apart from the locals is that the locals won a lottery of birth, but tough, life is not fair.

Quite frankly I don't give a rats *** what language they speak, or what flag they carry. However if they arrogantly display only one flag and purposely speak only spanish to attempt to "outcast" the MAJORITY population, such retalitory actions taken by the majority are to be expected. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression this is simply common sense respect. Notice that the ban is only for flags that are displayed alone without the accompaniment of this nations flag.
You're already an illegal and ppl have looked the other way to allow you as a "guest", but when you turn around and disrespect, sorry, that's just plain stupid.

 

[BubbaBob]

Hey Garza MOD...fix yer link/title thingy...it violates the forum rules. Since you are a mod, you oughtta know better...hell, I just got 4 points for basically the same thing you do without censure...hipocritical management...

BubbaBob

P.S. It should read "illegal" immigrants.

 

[Kandahar]

The town has every right to do this.

No they don't. Ever hear of freedom of speech?

This is America. Although there are minorities that speak other languages we are an English speaking country. English is the language that the MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS SPEAK.

Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

That fact shouldn't even be debated. In my state, Arizona we had to vote this past election whether or not English was the official language of the state. What a crock.

We shouldn't have to pay for everything translated in 8 different languages. English has always been the primary means of assimilating millions of immigrants into American society. One language promotes unity, the same way one currency does. You want to live in America.... be proud of your heritage by speaking your native language BUT.....LEARN ENGLISH.

Thankfully Arizona citizens voted English as the primary language.

Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

The article states, "The meeting also pushed through measures to deny services to illegal immigrants"

What word stands out in that sentence? Could it be ILLEGAL????? What is wrong with denying services to people who do not meet the requirements?

They are here ILLEGALLY.

Its damn time that towns across the country send a message to Washington and to those who are here ILLEGALLY.

Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

As for flying flags.......any private club or restaurant should be able to fly any flag. But any government building, school, any business that gets government funding.......should fly the American flag only.

So after such a long, self-righteous rant, you agree that this law is stupid. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[bandaidwoman]

I have dual citizenship in two countries, and I am not from Mexico. I am going to hang my Malaysian flag.

To the town folks, it may be offensive that immigrants fly their nation's flags but so what? And why are we all assuming the only ones flying their flags are the illegals? My neighbor a PhD pharmacist flies his Jamaican flag all the time, he also has dual citizenship. So folks like us would be charged if we lived there?

My neighbor across the street flys his confederate flag and it offends me but he has the constitutional right to display it. (I am civil because he owns the gun club near my house where I practice shooting with my husband every few months!)

 

[bandaidwoman]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061116/us_nm/usa_immigration_flags_dc

Shocking, absolutely shocking :shock: . Anyone else annoyed by this attack on civil liberties or I'm alone here lol??

Yes, i am with you!

 

[bandaidwoman]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

If you are so proud of your country, go back there and support them, don't let the door knob hit ya, where the good lord split ya!:2wave:

I guess I should probably remind all the confederate flag wavers that this is no longer a divided country and that they lost the friggen war. Unfortunately, I am in the minority here in Covington Georgia, so I can sort of understand this town's feelings.

 

[doughgirl]

Kandahar said, “No they don't. Ever hear of freedom of speech?”

They are illegals Kandahar. Why should they get what rights citizens are afforded?

Dumb question to ask you, I take it back. You probably no doubt are for open borders and American citizens to support illegals.

“So after such a long, self-righteous rant, you agree that this law is stupid. Thanks for clearing that up.”

Your hatred is showinggggg………you wear it so well.:mrgreen:

 

[bandaidwoman]

Once again, how can we assume, the key work assume, that the flag wavers are illegals?

They are illegals Kandahar. Why should they get what rights citizens are afforded?

And when did freedom of expression become only the legal right of the citizenship? Many visitors ( professors, visiting scientists etc.) should not have the right to free speech and wave their national flags? What about tourists who just want to get up there and rant about how good or how bad our president is? Should we have them arrested for speaking their mind? My political science professor in college was a visting Oxford Professor from England who spoke his mind about our president at the time often during his public lectures. Should they not be allowed to wear their nation's colors and or flags on their person? Thus the slippery slope begins....

 

[Deegan]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

I guess I should probably remind all the confederate flag wavers that this is no longer a divided country and that they lost the friggen war. Unfortunately, I am in the minority here in Covington Georgia, so I can sort of understand this town's feelings.

The point is, a city can dictate what is placed outside the businesses of their residents, much like they can remove old cars, or fine you for not cutting your lawn, etc. Now I'm not sure how the courts will react, especially if you are allowed to fly one flag, and not another, but I think this is more about making a point, and it's well taken here.

 

[bandaidwoman]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

The point is, a city can dictate what is placed outside the businesses of their residents, much like they can remove old cars, or fine you for not cutting your lawn, etc. Now I'm not sure how the courts will react, especially if you are allowed to fly one flag, and not another, but I think this is more about making a point, and it's well taken here.

The town council of Pahrump, which lies in the Mojave Desert west of Las Vegas, voted 3-2 on Tuesday to make flying any foreign flag above the U.S. flag or alone an offense punishable by a $50 fine and 30 hours' community service.


"All of the illegal alien protesters are waving Mexican flags, and we just got tired of it," town board clerk Paul Willis told Reuters in a telephone interview.

I see the point you are making but if I read the article correctly the oridinace does not specify flying the flag at a business or resident housing ( although i am sure it incorporates that) but it looked like they forbid flying the flag period wether it is on the back of a pickup truck (like the confederate flags here) , on the person marching up and down the street etc. The quote addresses the fact that they were tired of the illegals waving their flags during a protest...

 

[Deegan]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

I see the point you are making but if I read the article correctly the oridinace does not specify flying the flag at a business or resident housing ( although i am sure it incorporates that) but it looked like they forbid flying the flag period wether it is on the back of a pickup truck (like the confederate flags here) , on the person marching up and down the street etc. The quote addresses the fact that they were tired of the illegals waving their flags during a protest...

Well they are certainly not going to get very far with that logic, you can't possibly enforce that rule, if that is indeed what they are after.:shock:

 

[bandaidwoman]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

Well they are certainly not going to get very far with that logic, you can't possibly enforce that rule, if that is indeed what they are after.:shock:

Yeah, so I wonder if it makes a stipulation? I can't seem to find it anywhere on the web about its specifics can you?

 

[Deegan]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

Yeah, so I wonder if makes a stipulation? I can't seem to find it anywhere on the web about its specifics can you?

I don't know, I do know this, I certainly understand how frustrated these people are, especially those who have lived there all their lives. You wake up one morning, and it's no longer the town you once knew, and even the American flag has been replaced, this was obviously done as an act of total frustration, and this should be considered when condemning these folks.

 

[BubbaBob]

I am going to hang my Malaysian flag.

My neighbor across the street flys his confederate flag and it offends me but he has the constitutional right to display it. (I am civil because he owns the gun club near my house where I practice shooting with my husband every few months!)

Why does his Confederate Battle Flag offend you? And why are you so hipocritical that you are "civil" despite his doing something that you find offensive? Just so you can take advantage of a service he provides you?

The battle flag is a part of some folks heritage, just as your Malay flag is a part of yours.

BubbaBob

 

[bandaidwoman]

Why does his Confederate Battle Flag offend you? And why are you so hipocritical that you are "civil" despite his doing something that you find offensive? Just so you can take advantage of a service he provides you?

The battle flag is a part of some folks heritage, just as your Malay flag is a part of yours.

BubbaBob

So like me you find this flag banning offensive as well.

My neighbor makes it known that my Jamaican neighbor friend is nothing but a N!gger on a regular basis. He tells me this pharmacist's family will start robbing everyone on the block. His son is salutorian at Vanderbilt and going to MIT but that does not phase this guy. So I am not being hypocritacal. Thus it is not his flag waving that offends me, but what he feels it represents. Regardless, he has every right to wave it!

As a result I also don't believe in this nonsense about banning the confederate flag.

However, the current confederate flag was designed in the fifties,at the height of segregation. The real confedrate flag I believe was a simple red and white or blue and white design. Can't remember the specifics. so I don't know why they don't fly that one but it isn't as impressive looking as the current one I suppose? And yes, he is entitled to his southern heritage as much as these mexicans are entitled to theirs, we can both agree on that.

let's not get away from the issue that a basic freedom of expression is being impeded, don't attack my feelings about my bigotted neighbor, i didn't go to the township and vote for banning of confederate flags.

For the record, my mother in law is a officer in Georgia's chapter of the daughter of the confederacy, geraldine johnson, (so you can look it up) but unlike my neighbor she is not a bigot and she actually flew the " real" confederate flag at her residence before she moved to walton, georgia.

 

[Morrow]

However, the current confederate flag was designed in the fifties,at the height of segregation. The real confedrate flag I believe was a simple red and white or blue and white design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Flags

The flag most commonly associated with the Confederacy is the red field, blue X with white stars. But your right, it wasn't the first flag, the first one was more simple, but it was confused with the US flag a lot.

People have tried to ban the Confederate flag before, not saying oyu want to just providing this as an example. And it didn't work. I would bet the same precedent set by those cases will be used against this town.

 

[Kandahar]

They are illegals Kandahar. Why should they get what rights citizens are afforded?

So no one except an illegal immigrant is capable of hanging a flag other than the American flag? I have flags from every country I've ever visited, and I'm an American citizen. Why shouldn't I be able to display them if I want to?

Dumb question to ask you, I take it back. You probably no doubt are for open borders and American citizens to support illegals.

I am for (relatively) open borders, but that's not relevant to this freedom of speech issue. Your implication to the contrary is incredibly racist.

Your hatred is showinggggg………you wear it so well.:mrgreen:

Hatred? Like your claim that anyone displaying a non-American flag must be an illegal immigrant and therefore unworthy of any rights? :roll:

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Ban on Foreign Flags

The point is, a city can dictate what is placed outside the businesses of their residents, much like they can remove old cars, or fine you for not cutting your lawn, etc. Now I'm not sure how the courts will react, especially if you are allowed to fly one flag, and not another, but I think this is more about making a point, and it's well taken here.

If you can make the case that not removing old cars or not cutting your lawn is somehow a freedom-of-expression issue, then go for it. But displaying a flag clearly is. This law has no legitimate purpose other than to infringe on freedom of expression.