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Nothing I've said here implies that I think women and girls are incapable of understanding.
so if birth control isn't enough for women why is it enough for men? What you're doing is holding a double standard and the only reason I can come up with that is because you think women need a handicap.
I've said that how a pregnancy happens is immaterial.
you insist on this with nothing really to back it up because it allows you to keep your double standard.
It is absolutely material. because if they didn't get pregnant in the first place they wouldn't eat an abortion and it's easy enough to avoid it.
or at least that expectation is good enough for men but I know you're not really saying women are somehow incapable or inferior to men You're Just implying it.
Obviously either or both parties could prevent it with birth control. And equally obviously neither did. It's pointless to quibble over blame.
but telling a man you're at the mercy of a woman's choice, and telling a woman whatever she decides there will be no consequences for her is establishing a double standard.
The fact is that making abortion illegal won't stop abortions, it'll just drive it underground.
so we should legalize molesting children because laws against it won't stop at they'll just push it underground.
The argument against making a law is that some people will just break it is not an argument against the law it's an argument for enforcement. Think if we took that approach to murder or sex trafficking.
Anyone who sincerely wants to stop abortion has to first admit that is a fact and then look for other ways, and it'll no doubt take a lot of time and a lot of different measures. But making abortion illegal won't do it, won't stop it, so it must be all about punishment.
Anyone who's sincerely wants to stop drinking and driving has to First admit that making it illegal won't stop it. And then look for other ways, and it'll no doubt take a lot of time and a lot of different measures. But making drinking and driving illegal won't do it, it won't stop it, so it must be all about punishment.
I seriously could make that exact same argument about any crime and it has exactly the same credibility as it does when you make it about abortion. That's why we have enforcement that's why we have courts making laws isn't about making Utopia people break them.
edit- and at the next hint of condescension from you I'm done here.
I'm sorry a good argument that you can't debate is not condescension it's triumphant and if you're done you can see it the point because you can't argue. You can harams about it and tell yourself that it's because I offended you but I didn't do that with condescension I did that with an argument you can't debate and you are silence will be proof of that.