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they are a nuclear superpower that could wipe Ukraine off of the map, and you're talking about anti-tank artillery? sure. i'm sure they'll be very scared of that.
Lead, aid, organize, and supply our allies, move security forces to the region. Make it clear that if Russia wants a war for its aggression it will get it.
Thank you Marshal Petain. The US is a NATO signatory, and therefore a full partner in European security. There is no "Europe's job" without the US. Let the Russians get a taste of first class anti-tank and counter-battery artillery and we'll see how "all-out" they want to be.
Lead, aid, organize, and supply our allies, move security forces to the region. Make it clear that if Russia wants a war for its aggression it will get it.
They will be, because they're not going to use their nukes.
Russia isn't in Ukraine, remember?
And do you really think they are going to use nukes and turn the entirety of world opinion against them?
and you understand how real war with Russia ends, right?
Are you advocating NATO go to war over the Ukraine?
i'd be quite happy with spending the next thirty years working on our own country. however, we get sucked into every war on the planet, and the world doesn't even pay us a tax. **** that. time to try another strategy. a strategy like if your region is three shades of ****ed up and you're the hegemon, then you handle that **** yourself.
ah, so limited proxy war. how do you suppose that will turn out? will Russia just say, "aw shucks, we didn't want Crimea that much. you win." and go back home?
****, this **** is unreal.
NATO should look after its own.NATO should support Ukraine unreservedly. Three NATO members (the Baltic states) are former parts of the USSR with large Russian minorities. If Russia can crush Ukraine then they are next, and NATO really will be at war. On the other hand, if Ukraine can assert its freedom to turn to Europe then the same sentiment may spread to Belarus . . .
that is a very interesting question and one on which I have seen very little debate, especially among the informed. I would like to know what IS the likelyhood of Putin letting one off...you talk about world opinion, I wonder about reprisals....the minute a missile clears Russian air space NORAD knows and US missiles automatically arm or something....
Putin knows that. He also figured out somewhere, probably at a G-8 that Obama is a rookie, incompetent and a blow hard. Putin did not survive he KGB, Russian politics and two terms by being a wuss and he sure has the ability to take the measure of a man. So is he ready to have one dropped on Moscow for the sake of Ukraine?
Under Obama, he knows that won't ever happen, the the "Oh!" will offer cash instead. Aid if you get out or something.
Under Reagan? Bush 41? Clinton? Bush 43?
He's in there because he looked into Obama's eyes one time and knew he could.
NATO should look after its own.
Russia's economy is going to go thru hell. Inflation will start and hit double digits.
But going to war over Ukraine - Nope.
they are a nuclear superpower that could wipe Ukraine off of the map, and you're talking about anti-tank artillery? sure. i'm sure they'll be very scared of that.
i'd be quite happy with spending the next thirty years working on our own country. however, we get sucked into every war on the planet, and the world doesn't even pay us a tax. **** that. time to try another strategy. a strategy like if your region is three shades of ****ed up and you're the hegemon, then you handle that **** yourself.
NATO will not go to war over Ukraine. But NATO should assist Ukraine to fight on its own behalf.
NATO will not go to war over Ukraine. But NATO should assist Ukraine to fight on its own behalf.
We can send all the arms we want, Russia will send more.
Russia is headed for economic ruin and this needs to be settled politically.
If not, the Eastern Ukraine will secede, the situation gets worse.
Crimea is lost to Russia.
But as I mentioned numerous time NATO countries have to pull up and spend at the 2 % of GDP level. Not many are doing that. Not sure if any countries outside of the US are?
Putin can read Obama like an open book. So can the rest of the worlds unsavory characters.
Part of the consequences of the lefts "smart" diplomacy.
Speak loudly that you aren't gonna use your stick.
i don't think NATO's charter would allow them to go to war over Ukraine. ???
I don't think so, although there is new "out of area" language from the 1990's. The point about Ukraine for NATO is Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, all NATO members.
And a very nervous Poland.
Yes, although Poland was never part of the USSR.
The link was to show how Poland was chopped up to its expansion and back to chopped up and so on over the centuries.I am extremely familiar with that history. The current state of Poland was not part of the USSR.
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