US helicopter 'shot down' in Iraq

[Maximus Zeebra]

BBC NEWS | Middle East | US helicopter 'shot down' in Iraq

Again and again and again this happens..

50 helicopters until now. Those are real people on board afraid and dying, they are Americans just like most you guys on this forum. They are just kids, most of them not old enough to even drink..

What the heck is the US doing in Iraq anyways?

 

[Southern Belle]

BBC NEWS | Middle East | US helicopter 'shot down' in Iraq

Again and again and again this happens..

50 helicopters until now. Those are real people on board afraid and dying, they are Americans just like most you guys on this forum. They are just kids, most of them not old enough to even drink..

What the heck is the US doing in Iraq anyways?

Cleaning up the UN's mess maybe?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Cleaning up the UN's mess maybe?

Sorry but Bush made the mess and got our soldiers killed and maimed for NOTHING!

How many Americans have to die before you're convinced that Bush has made one of the worst mistakes in the history of our country?

What a myth to think that the USA is safer today for attacking Iraq!

 

[Southern Belle]

Sorry but Bush made the mess and got our soldiers killed and maimed for NOTHING!

How many Americans have to die before you're convinced that Bush has made one of the worst mistakes in the history of our country?

What a myth to think that the USA is safer today for attacking Iraq!

I don't like the war, I just can understand and accept that it's the result of Sadaam being shady and messing with the UN, it just happened to come after we were attacked and America suddenly got bold, so Bush decided to nip Sadaam's butt in the bud.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I don't like the war, I just can understand and accept that it's the result of Sadaam being shady and messing with the UN, it just happened to come after we were attacked and America suddenly got bold, so Bush decided to nip Sadaam's butt in the bud.

Have you forgotten that Iraq had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9-11 and that Saddam was absolutely no threat to America, Americans, especially those in the USA?

Did you see this thread I just posted?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/19511-husseins-prewar-ties-al-qaeda-discounted.html

 

[SixStringHero]

Sorry but Bush made the mess and got our soldiers killed and maimed for NOTHING!

How many Americans have to die before you're convinced that Bush has made one of the worst mistakes in the history of our country?

What a myth to think that the USA is safer today for attacking Iraq!

What a myth it is to think that the US was any safer prior to Iraq. After all why did 9/11 happen in the first place?

It's surely not because some religious fanatics didn't hate us already right?

 

[Hatuey]

What a myth it is to think that the US was any safer prior to Iraq. After all why did 9/11 happen in the first place?

It's surely not because some religious fanatics didn't hate us already right?

It's an even bigger myth when people say the U.S. is safer because of this war. People will say "No attacks in 4 years" like attacks on the U.S. by Muslim extremist happened once a year.

 

[SixStringHero]

It's an even bigger myth when people say the U.S. is safer because of this war. People will say "No attacks in 4 years" like attacks on the U.S. by Muslim extremist happened once a year.

I can honestly say that I'm not as worried about another terrorist attack because the correct agencies have been doing a great job post 9/11 of detering and/or thwarting potential attacks. I just don't buy into this mind set that we are more hated now then prior to 9/11. We were hated enough for some religious fanatics to carry out their attack in the first place, and it was unprovoked.

Also, 9/11 was an eye opener, and sadly a bi-partisan failure of our government to act against the increasing problem of terrorism. Terrorism has been on the rise for the last 30 years and America has not been the only target.

 

[Hatuey]

I can honestly say that I'm not as worried about another terrorist attack because the correct agencies have been doing a great job post 9/11 of detering and/or thwarting potential attacks. I just don't buy into this mind set that we are more hated now then prior to 9/11. We were hated enough for some religious fanatics to carry out their attack in the first place, and it was unprovoked.

Also, 9/11 was an eye opener, and sadly a bi-partisan failure of our government to act against the increasing problem of terrorism. Terrorism has been on the rise for the last 30 years and America has not been the only target.

I agree with most of what you said except for the "great job the correct agencies are doing" part. Specially when we have like 2000 miles of unprotected border. Even more when thousands of random people come into the U.S. through this border every single day. Either these agencies have failed to warn the president about the danger this open border poses or he's ignored it. Either way somebodys not doing their job.

 

[Southern Belle]

Have you forgotten that Iraq had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9-11 and that Saddam was absolutely no threat to America, Americans, especially those in the USA?

Did you see this thread I just posted?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/19511-husseins-prewar-ties-al-qaeda-discounted.html

No I didn't mean 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq, that's my point:

Saddam was teasing the UN in the 90s
9/11 went down
Bush and the Americans got alerted to danger
Since the UN was sort of ignoring Sadaam Bush decided to take him out BEFORE he could cause trouble. The UN wasn't doing their job.

 

[26 X World Champs]

No I didn't mean 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq, that's my point:

Saddam was teasing the UN in the 90s
9/11 went down
Bush and the Americans got alerted to danger
Since the UN was sort of ignoring Sadaam Bush decided to take him out BEFORE he could cause trouble. The UN wasn't doing their job.

With all due respect Saddam was impotent, he had no WMDs and he was contained and not a threat to anyone except Iraqis.

I do not believe that our "mission" in Iraq was to "save Iraqis" rather that was a side "benefit" that Bush hoped would occur.

The UN actually was doing it's job. UN weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq and everything they said turned out to be truth versus almost everything Bush said turned out to be wrong.

Propaganda by Bushies wants you to believe that the UN was wrong, that Saddam was a threat, that AQ and Saddam were collaborating etc. All of that has been debunked and all of that were the reasons we invaded Iraq.

You've been conned like the rest of us. The truth is right in front of you. I again recommend that you read "HUBRIS" for a detailed explanation of how Bush conned all of us. "Hubris" is not propaganda, it is FACT.

 

[BudLizard101]

No I didn't mean 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq, that's my point:

Saddam was teasing the UN in the 90s
9/11 went down
Bush and the Americans got alerted to danger
Since the UN was sort of ignoring Sadaam Bush decided to take him out BEFORE he could cause trouble. The UN wasn't doing their job.

As if the UN ever does their job. heh

 

[PeteEU]

Since the UN was sort of ignoring Sadaam Bush decided to take him out BEFORE he could cause trouble. The UN wasn't doing their job.

ahh blame the UN, always a popular choice. Not that the US and UK had anything to do with the "ignoring" of Saddam or allowing him to steal billions of dollars.. naw never.

 

[Southern Belle]

With all due respect Saddam was impotent, he had no WMDs and he was contained and not a threat to anyone except Iraqis.

I do not believe that our "mission" in Iraq was to "save Iraqis" rather that was a side "benefit" that Bush hoped would occur.

The UN actually was doing it's job. UN weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq and everything they said turned out to be truth versus almost everything Bush said turned out to be wrong.

Propaganda by Bushies wants you to believe that the UN was wrong, that Saddam was a threat, that AQ and Saddam were collaborating etc. All of that has been debunked and all of that were the reasons we invaded Iraq.

You've been conned like the rest of us. The truth is right in front of you. I again recommend that you read "HUBRIS" for a detailed explanation of how Bush conned all of us. "Hubris" is not propaganda, it is FACT.

Think about it this way, if something struck a sleeping snake, wouldn't the snake lunge at the very first thing it saw could be a threat? Sadaam picked an unlucky time to dance around the snake (the 90s) and then someone kicks the snake and it lunges at the first thing it sees (Sadaam) even though Sadaam hadn't hurt it it looked like he could.

Ehh I dunno but I remember hearing Sadaam's name alot in the 90s like he was dangerous or something. Wasn't he making trouble?

 

[SixStringHero]

Think about it this way, if something struck a sleeping snake, wouldn't the snake lunge at the very first thing it saw could be a threat? Sadaam picked an unlucky time to dance around the snake (the 90s) and then someone kicks the snake and it lunges at the first thing it sees (Sadaam) even though Sadaam hadn't hurt it it looked like he could.

Ehh I dunno but I remember hearing Sadaam's name alot in the 90s like he was dangerous or something. Wasn't he making trouble?

Well we did bomb the crap out of Baghdad in '98, and I also do recall key figures in the last administration making many statements that Sadam was a threat and that some sort of military action should be taken if he wasn't contained.

I understand why we are in the ME, I just don't fully understand the whole Iraq thing.

 

[SixStringHero]

I agree with most of what you said except for the "great job the correct agencies are doing" part. Specially when we have like 2000 miles of unprotected border. Even more when thousands of random people come into the U.S. through this border every single day. Either these agencies have failed to warn the president about the danger this open border poses or he's ignored it. Either way somebodys not doing their job.

I have to agree with you about our borders and ports. It seems that neither party really wants to address this issue very adamantly. Maybe if politicians would stop worrying about how a certain demographic might view them if they were to make this a top issue. It's probably safe to say that they would be branded as a racist. I say to hell with PC at this point.

 

[Red_Dave]

Cleaning up the UN's mess maybe?

On the contary its not the UN thats to blame but western neocoloanialism. If the UN had got its way Saddam wouldnt have been almost as powerful as he was when we invaded.

The UN placed an embargo *against* selling [subsidised] weapons to Saddam Hussein but Regan and Thatcher broke this embargo in order to provide the weaponary necessairy for the Iran Iraq war [hence the level of Iranian Animosity towards the west].

This allowed saddam to burn hundreds of thousands of Kurds to death with chemical weapons that we provided and turned Saddams Iraq into the major military power that went on to cause the world so much trouble.

However ild agree that the UN shares a degree of responsibility for not aiding the post gulf war Shia uprising in the 90s but again western neocoloanism played a big role in this. After the war we had liberated kuwait and got our access to oil back. As far as those calling the shots where concerned that was all that matterd.