US held record number of migrant children in custody in 2019

[bomberfox]

Yeah sure... what have I whined about?

You just make **** up. :lol:

Waaah waaah big meanie insulting the united states waaaah.

 

[ocean515]

Seawalls to promote the general welfare not landwalls that only promote the general badfare!

A Nation that doesn't protect it's sovereignty ceases to exist.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Waaah waaah big meanie insulting the united states waaaah.

What have I whined about... be specific now.

 

[bomberfox]

What have I whined about... be specific now.

Boy are you dense. I quoted you in #102.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Boy are you dense. I quoted you in #102.

Dense and cowardly, your posts are. You said that ran and whined about something. What did I whine about?

 

[danielpalos]

A Nation that doesn't protect it's sovereignty ceases to exist.

Our Constitution already covers that dilemma, and our welfare clause is General and we have a Commerce clause.

 

[bomberfox]

Dense and cowardly, your posts are. You said that ran and whined about something. What did I whine about?

Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
I thought that these immigrants were fleeing near certain death in their countries... and some people are complaining about some trauma that they might endure as the USA saves their lives? The USA is saving their lives but STILL gets insulted and accused... just pathetic.

Yeeah not really fun when you are this low effort

 

[Dittohead not!]

I wouldn't trade our system for any system out there... the US system sucked and still sucks...

Agreed. It just sucks a little less since the ACA was passed, but there is still much work to be done.

 

[Cynical]

Taking people's children from them and putting them in detention centers is simply not a valid immigration policy.

There are so many worse things that happen to theses people long before they get to us. Don't ever see any liberals crying about that.

 

[Dittohead not!]

There are so many worse things that happen to theses people long before they get to us. Don't ever see any liberals crying about that.

Terrible things happen before they finally give up and make the difficult and dangerous trek to the USA. I'm not sure I've heard liberals or conservatives "crying about that," nor do I believe there is much we can do about it.

 

[Cynical]

Terrible things happen before they finally give up and make the difficult and dangerous trek to the USA. I'm not sure I've heard liberals or conservatives "crying about that," nor do I believe there is much we can do about it.

Well then we agree that those who cry about the treatment these people get once they cross the border don't give a rat's ass what happens before that. Personally I call that hypocrisy, but that's me. Regarding what can be done about it, well one option is going in and militarily overthrowing their governments and and then trying to establish new democratic ones. Personally I would not support that nor do I believe either political party would either. Nonetheless if you or anyone else here really wants to try and help look into this:

Volunteer Programs in Central America | Go Overseas

 

[Dittohead not!]

Well then we agree that those who cry about the treatment these people get once they cross the border don't give a rat's ass what happens before that. Personally I call that hypocrisy, but that's me. Regarding what can be done about it, well one option is going in and militarily overthrowing their governments and and then trying to establish new democratic ones. Personally I would not support that nor do I believe either political party would either. Nonetheless if you or anyone else here really wants to try and help look into this:

Volunteer Programs in Central America | Go Overseas

Since their lives sucked back home in the poverty stricken and gang ridden Central America, it's perfectly OK to make them suffer as much as possible once they make it to the US border.

Really?

 

[americanwoman]

So much for the " but Trumppppppp's policies are da best" defense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html#comments-wrapper

A Trump administration strategy led to the child migrant backup crisis at the border


When thousands of migrant children ended up stranded in U.S. Border Patrol stations last spring, President Trump’s administration characterized the crisis as a spontaneous result of the record crush of migrants overwhelming the U.S. immigration system. But the backup also was a result of policy decisions that officials knew would ensnare unaccompanied minors in bureaucratic tangles and leave them in squalid conditions, according to dozens of interviews and internal documents viewed by The Washington Post.

The policies, which administration officials began pursuing soon after Trump took office in January 2017, made it harder for adult relatives of unaccompanied minors to secure the children’s release from U.S. custody. Enhanced vetting of sponsors — including fingerprints and other paperwork — and the sharing of that information between child welfare and immigration authorities slowed down the release of children and exposed the sponsors to deportation.

There were serious concerns all around about the immigration policies the Trump administration was implementing regarding migrant children and they still went through with them. Then of course, the concerns were proven right and the changes had to be done but we are still dealing with the effects today.

This administration has got to go. We need competent people to work for us not ones who can't even fill a position properly. Just look at the turnover rate for DHS for Trump compared to Bush and Obama:

United States Secretary of Homeland Security - Wikipedia

And I imagine if we re-elect Trump it'll get worse. That's not the kind of leadership we want or need for our Homeland Security, especially if you really want to get immigration under control.

 

[Dittohead not!]

So much for the " but Trumppppppp's policies are da best" defense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html#comments-wrapper




There were serious concerns all around about the immigration policies the Trump administration was implementing regarding migrant children and they still went through with them. Then of course, the concerns were proven right and the changes had to be done but we are still dealing with the effects today.

This administration has got to go. We need competent people to work for us not ones who can't even fill a position properly. Just look at the turnover rate for DHS for Trump compared to Bush and Obama:

United States Secretary of Homeland Security - Wikipedia

And I imagine if we re-elect Trump it'll get worse. That's not the kind of leadership we want or need for our Homeland Security, especially if you really want to get immigration under control.

No one mentions the cost of detaining the children, costs that have to be lining someone's pockets. That someone will want the crisis to continue as long as possible.

 

[americanwoman]

No one mentions the cost of detaining the children, costs that have to be lining someone's pockets. That someone will want the crisis to continue as long as possible.

Those someone's just happen to be corporations with strong ties:

Opinion | Trump and the Merchants of Detention - The New York Times

But there’s also money to be made, because a majority of detained migrants are being held in camps run by corporations with close ties to the Republican Party.

And when I say close ties, we’re talking about personal rewards as well as campaign contributions. A couple of months ago John Kelly, Trump’s former chief of staff, joined the board of Caliburn International, which runs the infamous Homestead detention center for migrant children.

Businesses Serving Immigration Detention Under Fire, And Try To Remain Secret : NPR

CoreCivic and GEO Group's revenues totaled a combined $4.1 billion last year, and detention contracts made up about a quarter of that. Both companies are contending with increased competition and declines in their prison businesses, but that has been offset by growth in the detention business.

Many activists say the pursuit of revenue in the industry has helped drive today's immigration policies.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political contributions, CoreCivic and GEO Group spent $1.6 million and $2.8 million, respectively, on political contributions and lobbying in 2018, overwhelmingly to Republican candidates.

I don't doubt that high revenue is writing the policy. By many accounts the Trump administration knew the policies would cause harm to the children and knew it would cause a dramatic increase in the need for detention at the expense of the tax payer but they still went ahead with it and no wonder, people close by are getting paid. Billions in revenue from us and they can't even provide basic and safe accommodations, it's shameful.

 

[Dittohead not!]

So, I got to wondering just who is profiting from the detention centers? Turns out to be the for profit prison guys Corecivic and Geogroup. Have you heard of them? Nether had I.


Who Profits From Migrant Detention in the US?

It’s no secret that private, for-profit prison corporations have accumulated substantial wealth from the U.S. criminal justice system. But another, relatively unknown, aspect of their reach is their role in immigration detention in the U.S.

This issue is like an onion, lots of layers, but the more layers you peel back, the rottener the onion is.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Guatemalan boy who died in federal custody was on the floor for hours before anyone found him, video shows

(CNN)A sick Guatemalan boy who died in government custody was lying on the floor for hours before someone found him dead, a video first obtained by ProPublica shows.

The boy, identified by a US Customs and Border Protection official as Carlos Gregorio Hernandez Vasquez, 16, died on May 20 at a Border Patrol station in Weslaco, Texas, days after he crossed into the US and was apprehended by immigration officials, CBP said.

Children are given such great care in ICE custody, it's no wonder it's costing the taxpayers over $700 per day per kid. Why, it's like a Caribbean resort!