US held record number of migrant children in custody in 2019

[bomberfox]

I’m stating the facts. And the facts are that DHS became aware of a scam whereby Mexican parents were leasing their children to migrants as insurance because having a child and pretending to be a family made them more likely to be catch and release beneficiaries under the previous administration not to mention human trafficking. That’s reason enough to justify temporary separation while verifying if they’re even related or legal guardians regardless of Trump’s motives.

Innocent until proven guilty only applies to people we like i suppose. We dont do this to any other person on mere suspect. Trump initiated this solely as deterrence, he didnt give a **** about who the real parents were which is why these children were not kept on file and still remain separated.

 

[bomberfox]

I thought that these immigrants were fleeing near certain death in their countries... and some people are complaining about some trauma that they might endure as the USA saves their lives? The USA is saving their lives but STILL gets insulted and accused... just pathetic.

Awweh your poor poor feewings.

 

[bomberfox]

The answer isn't to punish the children and take them away into a crappy detention and make rich people richer.

The USA is better than that and if it doesn't live up to our own standards, we can and should speak up about it.
Now, just think if nobody insulted or brought up accusations of how wrong the program was, nothing would change so obviously it was a good thing to insult it because many people stood up and stopped it.

I disagree. The USA isnt better than that.

 

[j brown's body]

Obama did not initiate the policy of removing children from their families as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. That was Trump.

It wasn't policy at all under Obama. It was done in the event of an emergency, and only then.

 

[j brown's body]

So it is the American Government's fault that parents are illegally bringing their children into the country?

The cruelty's the point. You support cruelty towards children.

I appreciate your honesty, despite its obvious inhumanity. So many Trumpsters try and rationalize it.

 

[j brown's body]

This was about deterrence not overcrowding. Even AG Sessions admitted it.

In another time, these peole would have been returning runaway slaves.

 

[americanwoman]

I disagree. The USA isnt better than that.

It's not a popular opinion but you make a point. We think we are better and we act like we are better but when you really think of some of our policies, like this one on topic of tearing away children from their parents, it sways the argument your way.

 

[americanwoman]

Agreed... although most people bringing this up don't actually care about helping the children... they are more interested in attacking Trump. Just look at Dittohead... Trump makes a bad policy probably thinking Americans would support being tough on immigration, zero tolerance... most Americans did not support it. He reverses the policy and is still getting attacked. It just goes on and on and this Trump Hate is just the mirror image of the Hilary Hate from the other side... it is pathetic.

Trump should rightfully still get attacked for even starting the policy. It's inhumane.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Trump should rightfully still get attacked for even starting the policy. It's inhumane.

Indeed. And we can do our part by posting about this inhumane Trump policy closer to the 2020 election. We need to remind members and our internet visitors about this.

 

[ocean515]

Indeed. And we can do our part by posting about this inhumane Trump policy closer to the 2020 election. We need to remind members and our internet visitors about this.

That is, after all, the reason why people on the left post so many lies and distortions. It's about the propaganda, not the facts.

Explains why the boiler rooms send so many new people here every time elections get near.

You think rational people don't notice?

 

[americanwoman]

Indeed. And we can do our part by posting about this inhumane Trump policy closer to the 2020 election. We need to remind members and our internet visitors about this.

And it's still an ongoing issue.

A failed policy that is having lasting effects that is going to cost so much more in the long run in money and resources on these children then just doing the right thing in the beginning and keeping the children with the people they came in with while their situation gets sorted out.

U.S. Says It Could Take 2 Years to Identify Up to Thousands of Separated Immigrant Families - The New York Times

It may take federal officials two years to identify what could be thousands of immigrant children who were separated from their families at the southern United States border, the government said in court documents filed on Friday.

A federal judge had asked for a plan to identify these children and their families after a report from government inspectors in January revealed that the Trump administration most likely separated thousands more children from their parents than was previously believed.

These families were separated before the administration unveiled its “zero-tolerance” immigration policy in the spring of 2018, when nearly all adults entering the country illegally were prosecuted and any children accompanying them were put into shelters or foster care.

To identify these families, the government said it would apply a statistical analysis to about 47,000 children who were referred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement and subsequently discharged, according to the court filing. From there, the government said it would manually review the case records of the children who appeared to have the highest probability of being part of the separated families.

And before anyone comes at me with "trafficking" and "child kidnappers" the policy of separating the children actually increases the risk of that.

Human Trafficking And The Southern Border : NPR

Experts cast doubt on DHS claim that traffickers are posing as families at the border

 

[bomberfox]

It's not a popular opinion but you make a point. We think we are better and we act like we are better but when you really think of some of our policies, like this one on topic of tearing away children from their parents, it sways the argument your way.

I think we can be better than this which is why im not full blown cynic about this but realistically we are not now better than this.

 

[bomberfox]

It wasn't policy at all under Obama. It was done in the event of an emergency, and only then.

Even then unaccompanied minors were at least handled through ORR to find their closest kin in the US.

 

[bomberfox]

If these kids sneaked into America illegally, what exactly do you want us to do with them?

We already had agencies like the ORR to handle this.

 

[Dittohead not!]

If the law is inadequate, and I believe it is, then the law should be changed. Fussing around the edges of it because it’s too hard to do really isn’t an answer any of us should accept. I like immigrants, but I want them here with legal status, and hopefully with the desire to become citizens.

We as a nation need to take a hard look at our immigration policies. As long as the Congress is rendered dysfunctional by hyper partisanship, no rational changes in the law will be made.

Taking people's children from them and putting them in detention centers is simply not a valid immigration policy.

 

[Dittohead not!]

It's not a popular opinion but you make a point. We think we are better and we act like we are better but when you really think of some of our policies, like this one on topic of tearing away children from their parents, it sways the argument your way.

If we continue to elect men like Trump to lead us, then this nation isn't better than a cruel and inhumane policy. The sooner we put the Trump era behind us, the better.

 

[Dittohead not!]

That is, after all, the reason why people on the left post so many lies and distortions. It's about the propaganda, not the facts.

Explains why the boiler rooms send so many new people here every time elections get near.

You think rational people don't notice?

Donald Trump initiated the policy of separating children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. That's a fact.
There still are thousands of children separated from parents. That's a fact.
"Those on the left" simply means those of us not taken in by a conman.
Where are the "lies and distortions?"

 

[Cynical]

Agreed that neither party really has addressed the root causes of the problem of asylum seekers from Central America, nor the problem of illegal immigration. Instead, they have made the issues into political footballs.

This thread is about removing children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. The Trump sycophants seem to think that's OK, because it was a policy initiated by Trump. They also seem to think that Trump was telling the truth when he said the policy was that of Obama, and that he ended it.

How anyone can continue to believe anything Trump says is a mystery.

Most of them are not legitimate asylum seekers but are economic migrants and/or people looking for free ride off the US taxpayer..

 

[Dittohead not!]

Most of them are not legitimate asylum seekers but are economic migrants and/or people looking for free ride off the US taxpayer..

That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

If your opinion is correct, does that mean a policy of separating children from their families as a way of discouraging them from coming here was justified?

 

[Acadia]

We as a nation need to take a hard look at our immigration policies. As long as the Congress is rendered dysfunctional by hyper partisanship, no rational changes in the law will be made.

Taking people's children from them and putting them in detention centers is simply not a valid immigration policy.

Obama's Juvenile Referral Program did just that. Trump would be pilloried if he even tried this.
And have you read the ACLU's report, informed by the Obama Administration's tenure?

 

[Acadia]

That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

If your opinion is correct, does that mean a policy of separating children from their families as a way of discouraging them from coming here was justified?

Obama's policy on this actually was deterrence, as implemented by Jeh Johnson.

 

[Cynical]

The democrats don't see waves of illegal immigrants crossing our borders as a problem. They want to make it easier for them to bring in even more. To make it more enticing to attract even more.

Out of one side of their mouth they claim that they don't want open borders, but then complain that best thing to do in virtually every situation that arises at the border is to have open borders.

 

[ocean515]

Donald Trump initiated the policy of separating children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. That's a fact.
There still are thousands of children separated from parents. That's a fact.
"Those on the left" simply means those of us not taken in by a conman.
Where are the "lies and distortions?"

Insuring the safety of children is paramount to the Trump Administration. The only children who were separated were those who were with adults who had no identification, or were otherwise suspicious.

Parents who showed up with proper ID, etc. were not separated.

Shame on those parents who put their children's lives at risk. Explains why their cultures are failures.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Obama's Juvenile Referral Program did just that. Trump would be pilloried if he even tried this.
And have you read the ACLU's report, informed by the Obama Administration's tenure?

How many times must it be posted that the juveniles detained during the Obama Administration arrived unaccompanied? Maybe Trumpers don't understand that term:

un·ac·com·pa·nied
/ˌənəˈkəmp(ə)nēd/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
having no companion or escort.
"no unaccompanied children allowed"
Similar:
alone
on one's own
all alone
by oneself
solo
lone
solitary
single
single-handed

There. Now we can quit reposting the Obamadidit crap.

 

[Cynical]

That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

If your opinion is correct, does that mean a policy of separating children from their families as a way of discouraging them from coming here was justified?

Asylum is supposed to be for a very narrow group of people:

"Those seeking asylum must prove that that they are escaping their homeland because of persecution due to race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.[9] The Immigration and Nationality Act explicitly provides these five bases for granting asylum,[10] having been heavily influenced by the 1951 United Nations Convention on the Status of Refugees." (Emphasis mine.)

Immigration Law: The Rules and Procedure for Asylum Seekers - LawShelf Educational Media

If it were not so narrowly defined literally billions of people throughout the world could claim they are seeking Asylum. The situation at the border is an absolute ****ing mess largely due to decades of gutless lawmakers on both sides who refused to deal with the many issues and do the right thing for the nation. As long as we have lackluster border security and laws/policies that entice people to come here illegally we are always going to have a mess at our borders.