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US has the worst drivers of all developed countries

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Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants

41. Monaco: 0
40. Sweden: 2.8
39. United Kingdom: 2.9
38. San Marino: 3.2
37. Switzerland: 3.3
36. Netherlands: 3.4
35. Denmark: 3.5
34. Israel: 3.6
33. Singapore: 3.6
32. Spain: 3.7
31. Norway: 3.8
30. Ireland: 4.1
29. Germany: 4.3
28. Iceland: 4.6
27. Japan: 4.7
26. Finland: 4.8
25. France: 5.1
24. Malta: 5.1
23. Cyprus: 5.2
22. Australia: 5.4
21. Austria: 5.4
20. Canada: 6.0
19. New Zealand: 6.0
18. Czech Republic: 6.1
17. Italy: 6.1
15. Slovenia: 6.4
14. Slovakia: 6.6
13. Belgium: 6.7
12. Estonia: 7.0
11. Andorra: 7.6
10. Hungary: 7.7
9. Portugal: 7.8
8. Luxembourg: 8.7
7. Greece: 9.1
6. Croatia: 9.2
5. Latvia: 10.0
4. Poland: 10.3
3. South Korea: 10.4
2. Lithuania: 10.6
1. United States: 10.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
 
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Or maybe we drive more?
 

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You need to re-index that list, and then pay better attention to the column headers on what they are really telling you.

By "Total Fatalities" or by "Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants" or by "Road fatalities per 100,000 motor vehicles" the US *does not* top the list. By no category on that page does the US top the list in any regard.

Even using your falsely applied "by all developed countries" the US still *does not* top any category.

Try again...
 

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You need to re-index that list, and then pay better attention to the column headers on what they are really telling you.

By "Total Fatalities" or by "Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants" or by "Road fatalities per 100,000 motor vehicles" the US *does not* top the list. By no category on that page does the US top the list in any regard.

Even using your falsely applied "by all developed countries" the US still *does not* top any category.

Try again...

US drivers are quite frankly for the most part are domesticated tame ***** cats that tend to be fairly courteous. The rest of the world the drivers are ****ing insane lunatics with a death wish, except maybe Canada they are just like the US.
 

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Yeah, I don't believe any list about road fatalities that doesn't put Italy squarely on top :lol:

Those guys drive like ****ing maniacs.
 

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US drivers are quite frankly for the most part are domesticated tame ***** cats that tend to be fairly courteous. The rest of the world the drivers are ****ing insane lunatics with a death wish, except maybe Canada they are just like the US.

The stories I've heard about drivers in the Middle East :shock:...
 

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US drivers are quite frankly for the most part are domesticated tame ***** cats that tend to be fairly courteous. The rest of the world the drivers are ****ing insane lunatics with a death wish, except maybe Canada they are just like the US.
Unless something's changed lately, I remember Quebec drivers putting the pedal to the metal a bit, but they have much better lane discipline than in the states and more eagerly clear the left lane for faster traffic, so they're good by me; I enjoyed driving in rural Quebec! (but they've really got to repair some of those pot-holed roads!)
 

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Yeah, I don't believe any list about road fatalities that doesn't put Italy squarely on top :lol:

Those guys drive like ****ing maniacs.

Or Russia. I've seen the videos, those guys drive like all the traffic laws all the way down to traffic signals... and trivial things like, lane indicators... are all just suggestions.
 

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Or Russia. I've seen the videos, those guys drive like all the traffic laws all the way down to traffic signals... and trivial things like, lane indicators... are all just suggestions.
I've seen Russians get into fist fights and beat each other with bats on the roadside, so yeah those mother****ers are pretty crazy on the road.
 

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The stories I've heard about drivers in the Middle East :shock:...

I have driven in many countries around the world. I have first hand knowledge. Be thankful you live in the U.S. or Canada and drive with U.S. drivers or Canadian drivers. Seriously. The rest of the worlds drivers are bat **** insane.
 

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I've seen Russians get into fist fights and beat each other with bats on the roadside, so yeah those mother****ers are pretty crazy on the road.

They probably don't count the road rage in their traffic fatalities :D

So what is the point of this anyhow? Are we moving on to banning automobiles now?
 

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Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants

41. Monaco: 0
40. Sweden: 2.8
39. United Kingdom: 2.9
38. San Marino: 3.2
37. Switzerland: 3.3
36. Netherlands: 3.4
35. Denmark: 3.5
34. Israel: 3.6
33. Singapore: 3.6
32. Spain: 3.7
31. Norway: 3.8
30. Ireland: 4.1
29. Germany: 4.3
28. Iceland: 4.6
27. Japan: 4.7
26. Finland: 4.8
25. France: 5.1
24. Malta: 5.1
23. Cyprus: 5.2
22. Australia: 5.4
21. Austria: 5.4
20. Canada: 6.0
19. New Zealand: 6.0
18. Czech Republic: 6.1
17. Italy: 6.1
15. Slovenia: 6.4
14. Slovakia: 6.6
13. Belgium: 6.7
12. Estonia: 7.0
11. Andorra: 7.6
10. Hungary: 7.7
9. Portugal: 7.8
8. Luxembourg: 8.7
7. Greece: 9.1
6. Croatia: 9.2
5. Latvia: 10.0
4. Poland: 10.3
3. South Korea: 10.4
2. Lithuania: 10.6
1. United States: 10.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

We've got more of everything. ;)
 

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They probably don't count the road rage in their traffic fatalities :D

So what is the point of this anyhow? Are we moving on to banning automobiles now?
No, probably not :p

I really don't know what point I'm supposed to draw from this list. I mean this list is just focusing solely on fatality rates and not any other possible underlying factors.
 
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I have driven in many countries around the world. I have first hand knowledge. Be thankful you live in the U.S. or Canada and drive with U.S. drivers or Canadian drivers. Seriously. The rest of the worlds drivers are bat **** insane.

"Traffic signals are a suggestion/ recommendation", not mandatory
 

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Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants

41. Monaco: 0
40. Sweden: 2.8
39. United Kingdom: 2.9
38. San Marino: 3.2
37. Switzerland: 3.3
36. Netherlands: 3.4
35. Denmark: 3.5
34. Israel: 3.6
33. Singapore: 3.6
32. Spain: 3.7
31. Norway: 3.8
30. Ireland: 4.1
29. Germany: 4.3
28. Iceland: 4.6
27. Japan: 4.7
26. Finland: 4.8
25. France: 5.1
24. Malta: 5.1
23. Cyprus: 5.2
22. Australia: 5.4
21. Austria: 5.4
20. Canada: 6.0
19. New Zealand: 6.0
18. Czech Republic: 6.1
17. Italy: 6.1
15. Slovenia: 6.4
14. Slovakia: 6.6
13. Belgium: 6.7
12. Estonia: 7.0
11. Andorra: 7.6
10. Hungary: 7.7
9. Portugal: 7.8
8. Luxembourg: 8.7
7. Greece: 9.1
6. Croatia: 9.2
5. Latvia: 10.0
4. Poland: 10.3
3. South Korea: 10.4
2. Lithuania: 10.6
1. United States: 10.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate


You cannot determine the quality of a nation's drivers based solely on fatalities.

Two, you cherry picked your list, I note that Russia is almost double the US rate, as is China. And should have mentioned that Libya has a 73.


Figures lie and liars figure, has been a trusted motto of mine all my life.


What will tell who is the best drivers is a combination of total crashes, and moving violations per segment of the population
 

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Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants

41. Monaco: 0
40. Sweden: 2.8
39. United Kingdom: 2.9
38. San Marino: 3.2
37. Switzerland: 3.3
36. Netherlands: 3.4
35. Denmark: 3.5
34. Israel: 3.6
33. Singapore: 3.6
32. Spain: 3.7
31. Norway: 3.8
30. Ireland: 4.1
29. Germany: 4.3
28. Iceland: 4.6
27. Japan: 4.7
26. Finland: 4.8
25. France: 5.1
24. Malta: 5.1
23. Cyprus: 5.2
22. Australia: 5.4
21. Austria: 5.4
20. Canada: 6.0
19. New Zealand: 6.0
18. Czech Republic: 6.1
17. Italy: 6.1
15. Slovenia: 6.4
14. Slovakia: 6.6
13. Belgium: 6.7
12. Estonia: 7.0
11. Andorra: 7.6
10. Hungary: 7.7
9. Portugal: 7.8
8. Luxembourg: 8.7
7. Greece: 9.1
6. Croatia: 9.2
5. Latvia: 10.0
4. Poland: 10.3
3. South Korea: 10.4
2. Lithuania: 10.6
1. United States: 10.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

And here's why we have the worst drivers: speed...and spoiled brats.

When I was living in Manila, the traffic jams there were EPIC. What would take maybe twenty-five minutes without traffic would take two hours with NORMAL traffic...and I was able to measure this at the only time when there was no traffic - there was a Pacquiao fight and nobody, but nobody was on the road.

Thing is, there's hundreds of thousands of cars there...and you're lucky if your average speed going across town is fifteen MPH - and I'm not kidding. But as terrible as the traffic is, while there would be little fender-benders or minor scrapes, serious accidents were very seldom indeed...inside the city. Outside the city's a different matter indeed, but the overwhelming amount of traffic's inside that megalopolis. The speed was much, much slower...and so the accidents were far less serious and rarely required any medical attention.

The other factor was that there - as in most of the world - cars are not seen as toys as they often are here in the States. Here, kids graduating from high school sometimes get ticked off if they don't get a car for a graduation present! But there and in most of the world, a car is seen as a means of livelihood...and more often than not a real privilege, and so one sees far fewer irresponsible teenagers blowing past everybody just because they want to have fun.
 

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Fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants is a ludicrous method of measuring driver skill
 

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What in the world is your definition of a "developed country?"

any country of which population is not composed of muslim or black
 

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You need to re-index that list, and then pay better attention to the column headers on what they are really telling you.

By "Total Fatalities" or by "Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants" or by "Road fatalities per 100,000 motor vehicles" the US *does not* top the list. By no category on that page does the US top the list in any regard.

Even using your falsely applied "by all developed countries" the US still *does not* top any category.

Try again...

Indeed. I think the fact that there are more cars per capita as well as the number of miles driven (increasing the risk) have a strong play in this.

All that being said, I've seen some horrific driving and drivers on the roads, and there is a distinct lack of real drivers 'education' and quality / demands of that 'education' is far short of what it needs to be.
 

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I feel a need to qualify my comments by saying they are wonderful people individually, and out of cars, but any city like my home here in Toronto that has had an influx of Asians, particularly from Hong Kong, South Korea, China, etc., knows that they are by far the worst drivers ever to get behind the wheel of a car. They may be able to do math in their heads, but finding a turn signal or finding the curb lane is like asking them to do brain surgery. Whenever I pass an accident, inevitably at least one car if not both or all cars are either Toyota's, Honda's, Kia's, Hundai's, etc. and driven by drivers dazed by the fact that the car hit something while they were fiddling with their phone or chatting with passengers or gawking at the scenery, or trying to cross three lanes of traffic from the far left lane to an exit they just realized they were going to miss.

Check the traffic statistics in your city. You'll find that the most dangerous intersections are those where a large segment of the population is from some part of Asia and newly arrived. Watch the Asian owned and operated driver training schools and see they train new Asian drivers to keep to the left lane at all times, never signal, and drive dangerously slow while competent drivers are forced to change lanes to get around them all the time not knowing what they may do next.

I've said in the past that I believe it's a conspiracy of the Chinese government to send to Canada the worst drivers in the world so that they will "drive" us bat **** crazy and then take over and fully repopulate this great country.
 

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You cannot determine the quality of a nation's drivers based solely on fatalities.

Two, you cherry picked your list, I note that Russia is almost double the US rate, as is China. And should have mentioned that Libya has a 73.


Figures lie and liars figure, has been a trusted motto of mine all my life.


What will tell who is the best drivers is a combination of total crashes, and moving violations per segment of the population

I always like there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
 

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Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants

41. Monaco: 0
40. Sweden: 2.8
39. United Kingdom: 2.9
38. San Marino: 3.2
37. Switzerland: 3.3
36. Netherlands: 3.4
35. Denmark: 3.5
34. Israel: 3.6
33. Singapore: 3.6
32. Spain: 3.7
31. Norway: 3.8
30. Ireland: 4.1
29. Germany: 4.3
28. Iceland: 4.6
27. Japan: 4.7
26. Finland: 4.8
25. France: 5.1
24. Malta: 5.1
23. Cyprus: 5.2
22. Australia: 5.4
21. Austria: 5.4
20. Canada: 6.0
19. New Zealand: 6.0
18. Czech Republic: 6.1
17. Italy: 6.1
15. Slovenia: 6.4
14. Slovakia: 6.6
13. Belgium: 6.7
12. Estonia: 7.0
11. Andorra: 7.6
10. Hungary: 7.7
9. Portugal: 7.8
8. Luxembourg: 8.7
7. Greece: 9.1
6. Croatia: 9.2
5. Latvia: 10.0
4. Poland: 10.3
3. South Korea: 10.4
2. Lithuania: 10.6
1. United States: 10.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Wrong metric. Since the US has more drivers, measuring deaths per 100,000 gives a grossly flawed result. Show us deaths per 100,000 miles driven and you're getting closer to the truth.
 
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