US Government Shutdown Looms

[Glitch]

That was my point. :roll: If the House originates a spending bill on a party line vote it is doomed in the senate. If the House would attempt to pass something bipartisan for a change, the system might start to function and we will stop going from shutdown to shutdown to shutdown.

Since this past August the House has been working on FY2021 Consolidated Appropriations Act. When they passed the FY2020 Consolidated Appropriations Act they had a 66.32% majority in the House and an 81.79% majority in the Senate. That seems to be the trend Congress has been taking the last decade. Congress takes portions of the budget, combines it together with other portions of the budget, then pass it with a veto-proof majority so the President (any President) cannot make changes.

Congress will not function correctly again until they start passing all twelve (13 if you count DC) appropriation bills prior to the end of the fiscal year. Something they have not done since 1998.

 

[Glitch]

The House came up with a bill a couple of months ago.. The Senate never acted on it, never sat down and discussed it, they never addressed it, then went on vacation.

A better question would be, why is the FY21 Consolidated Appropriation bill necessary? Why couldn't they include funding for the Department of State, Agriculture, Defense, Interior, etc. in their own appropriation bills? Why did they combine them into two separate bills? Only the funding for the Department Homeland Security and the Legislative Branch are their own separate appropriation bills. Everything else is combined into one of two FY21 Consolidated Appropriation bills.


Appropriations Status Table

 

[Casper]

The House came up with a bill a couple of months ago.. The Senate never acted on it, never sat down and discussed it, they never addressed it, then went on vacation.

Yeup, hence why it is Broken, fix it Nov 3.

 

[mike2810]

They obviously have a very loose definition, since most of those so-called "shutdowns" the federal government was fully funded, like in 2019. The fact of the matter is that Congress passed a veto-proof budget in 2018 and 2019. Threatening to use funds that Congress did not allocate for a border wall is not shutting down government since the budget had already passed. Trump didn't get the funding he wanted, but the federal government was still being funded, so there was no shutdown.

A government shutdown can only occur if Congress fails to pass a budget, or if the President vetoes a budget that has been passed by Congress. Both Reagan and Clinton vetoed budgets passed by Congress. Ford, Carter, Bush41, Budh43, Obama, and Trump have not.

Then explain that to federal employees who were told not to come to work in 2018 and 2019 that is was a shut down.

It may be semantics but when employees are told not to come to work and the checks don't hit the bank account it seems to me its a shutdown.

 

[mrjurrs]

If you had actually read the US Constitution you can find under Article I, Section 7. The House, specifically, has the constitutional responsibility to raise revenues in order to form a budget, which the Senate may amend. I'm not the least bit surprised you were unaware. Progressives are unaware of many things in the US Constitution that they have never read, which is why they are always violating it.

Wow, if you don't know the difference between introducing appropriation bills and passing them ("One thing is absolutely certain, neither Democrats nor Republicans will fulfill their constitutionally responsibility and pass all twelve appropriation bills") you need way more remediation than this forum provides. Conservatives misstate so many things in the US Constitution that they think they know (and don't), which is why they are always violating it.

One thing is absolutely certain, neither Democrats nor Republicans will fulfill their constitutionally responsibility and pass all twelve appropriation bills.

 

[bomberfox]

Come September and October millions of people will start to miss their rents and mortgage payments. The Senate Republicans thought it was more important to go on vacation rather than help out the American people struggling to pay their bills.. Why working, blue collar Americans vote Republican is beyond me..

Anyway when people start to miss their mortgages the foreclosures will skyrocket, the housing market will crash, and there's a chance the economy will crash and make the 2008 crash look mild.

I'm much more worried about hard working Americans paying their bills and the economy crashing yet again, than if the government shuts down....

Identity politics, thats why. Hell white wingers these days think they are just now playing identity politics republicans have been banking on WASP identity politics for years. To be fair though they have been getting more latino/a voters until dumpster donnie came around to make it a white male party.

 

[Moderate Right]

Government funding runs out in September 2020.

In light of everything else, are we heading for a shutdown at the end of this month?

I'm assuming the thread already knows that this issue is already settled.