US election: Bernie Sanders invited to Vatican by Pope [W:124]

[Thoreau72]

Bernie is weak as pond water. Think ISIS, Putin, or any other head of state will respect him?

Putin does not respect Obama or Bush, so I'm not sure of your point.

As he demonstrated by NOT reacting to the shootdown of his jet by Turkey, he is far more interested in peace than Bush or Obama. He might actually get along well with another world leader seeking peace.

 

[Lovebug]

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Well that is pretty cool. One of the most progressive popes who espouses liberation theology invites one of the most progressive candidate the Democrats have put forward in decades. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Even the Pope distinguishes a true humanitarian from a perpetual liar. Good going Francis.

 

[Lovebug]

Bernie is an angry old white commie coward , refusing service claiming to be a conscientious objector and his "principles" would NOT allow him to fight for our Country .:usflag2: Now this coward wants to be Commander in Chief and order our fine soldier to fight , typical hypocrite ! This is the very same coward that was Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs at it's most disgraceful period . Bernie never worked a day in his miserable life and his allegiance is with Russia ! :roll:

Vs the service of....?

Bernie is weak as pond water. Think ISIS, Putin, or any other head of state will respect him?

Compared to loudmouth foaming at the mouth......?

 

[Socrates1]

Vs the service of....?



Compared to loudmouth foaming at the mouth......?

Hillary is foul mouthed ! At least the others didn't stoop to lying about being a conscientious objector , like Bernie the coward commie .:roll:

 

[j-mac]

Heard yesterday that the Vatican is upset with Sanders misrepresenting that the Pope had anything to do with the invitation... But then, who really expects socialists to be truthful.

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[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Putin does not respect Obama or Bush, so I'm not sure of your point.

As he demonstrated by NOT reacting to the shootdown of his jet by Turkey, he is far more interested in peace than Bush or Obama. He might actually get along well with another world leader seeking peace.

Bernie is weak as pond water is my point. It's the use of a simile to compare Bernie to non-moving water which has no energy or force. Do you understand now?

The powers that be around the world understand force. Teddy Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war; a paradox in which Bernie would never engage.

 

[Lovebug]

Bernie is weak as pond water is my point. It's the use of a simile to compare Bernie to non-moving water which has no energy or force. Do you understand now?

The powers that be around the world understand force. Teddy Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war; a paradox in which Bernie would never engage.

Oh, but still waters are deep. We have only scratched the surface.
If the man, meek as he seems to come across, catches the eye of the pope who seems to be making some significant waves of his own, I am eager to see what comes next. Those two, if given the chance, could bring about some rather long overdue changes.
I can only hope that our church going citizenry can fathom the significance of what could be.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Oh, but still waters are deep. We have only scratched the surface.
If the man, meek as he seems to come across, catches the eye of the pope who seems to be making some significant waves of his own, I am eager to see what comes next. Those two, if given the chance, could bring about some rather long overdue changes.
I can only hope that our church going citizenry can fathom the significance of what could be.

Pond waters are shallow. How many Popes have successfully influenced world peace?

I think peaceful relations among all world nations is certainly worth attempting. I just don't think Bernie's way will work.

He's not ready to coerce nations to become peaceful when talk fails, just like Obama isn't.

Just look to Iran's actions since the nuclear agreement was reached.

"It tells you that Iran, whatever we may or may not have accomplished with the nuclear deal, that all those other things that Iran had been doing that were very troubling and destabilizing, Iran continues to do," Hayden, former director of the CIA and NSA, said Monday to J.D. Hayworth on "Newsmax Prime."

"Ballistic missile tests, support for [Syrian President] Bashar al-Assad, support for Shiite militias in Iraq, all those things across the board so far, no change."

Breaking News at Newsmax.com Michael Hayden: Iran's Actions Show 'No Change' Since Deal

 

[Cardinal]

Methinks the Catholics would seriously like a pope do-over.

To be accurate, roughly half the Catholics would probably like a pope do-over.

 

[Thoreau72]

Bernie is weak as pond water is my point. It's the use of a simile to compare Bernie to non-moving water which has no energy or force. Do you understand now?

The powers that be around the world understand force. Teddy Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war; a paradox in which Bernie would never engage.

Bernie never served in the military, but that does not make him a bad man. It only makes him naïve in a certain sense, like the majority of society.

Peace must be sought. I'd bet that he and Putin would get along just fine.

 

[j-mac]

Bernie never served in the military, but that does not make him a bad man. It only makes him naïve in a certain sense, like the majority of society.

Peace must be sought. I'd bet that he and Putin would get along just fine.

Is the only way to mirror our advisories ideology?

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[Gathomas88]

I'm not sure if this is actually happening as the OP's trying to portray it. If it is, however, I'll go out on a limb here and say it's the first thing this Pope has done that I am legitimately "not cool" with.

Even putting aside the fact that Sanders is a Red Socialist, Atheist, Jew who is basically the polar opposite of everything the Church stands for, socially, morally, and politically, it's just... Well, really not the Pope's place to "play favorites" with secular political candidates like this. Is he going to invite the other candidates as well? If not, why not? What makes Sanders so special?

As I said, I suspect we're not actually getting the "whole story" here. The situation would appear to be somewhat problematic either way, however.

 

[justabubba]

I'm not sure if this is actually happening as the OP's trying to portray it. If it is, however, I'll go out on a limb here and say it's the first thing this Pope has done that I am legitimately "not cool" with.

Even putting aside the fact that Sanders is a Red Socialist, Atheist, Jew who is basically the polar opposite of everything the Church stands for, socially, morally, and politically, it's just... Well, really not the Pope's place to "play favorites" with secular political candidates like this. Is he going to invite the other candidates as well? If not, why not? What makes Sanders so special?

As I said, I suspect we're not actually getting the "whole story" here. The situation would appear to be somewhat problematic either way, however.

Francis has already made an astute political characterization of another of the candidates:

Donald Trump is “not Christian” because of his views on immigration, Pope Francis said on his way back to Rome from Mexico.

Pope Francis calls Trump 'not Christian' - Religion News Service

 

[Gathomas88]

Francis has already made an astute political characterization of another of the candidates:

Pope Francis calls Trump 'not Christian' - Religion News Service

That isn't what he actually said, first off.

Vatican: Pope Francis Was Not Singling Out Donald Trump With 'Wall' Remarks

He was speaking generally to a question leveled at him by a reporter. Pope Francis is, apparently, fond of talking about "building bridges, not walls," so someone asked him a question about that in relation to Donald Trump.

He basically said IF someone was ONLY interested in building walls, not bridges, they would "not be Christian." However, he went on to clarify that it was "not Gospel," and that he "wasn't going to get involved" with the question of "to vote, or not to vote." He also said that he was going to give Donald the "benefit of the doubt," and assume that his position was a bit more complicated than that.

All of that's perfectly reasonable, as far as I'm concerned (this coming from someone who actually agrees Donald Trump is a pretty objectively terrible 'Christian,' mind you).

It seems that this latest situation is being exaggerated as well, from what I'm seeing. The "invitation" actually didn't come from the Pope at all, but the head of some largely autonomous college associated with the Vatican.

 

[justabubba]

That isn't what he actually said, first off.

Vatican: Pope Francis Was Not Singling Out Donald Trump With 'Wall' Remarks

He was speaking generally to a question leveled at him by a reporter. Pope Francis is, apparently, fond of talking about "building bridges, not walls," so someone asked him a question about that in relation to Donald Trump.

He basically said IF someone was ONLY interested in building walls, not bridges, they would "not be Christian." However, he went on to clarify that it was "not Gospel," and that he "wasn't going to get involved" with the question of "to vote, or not to vote." He also said that he was going to give Donald the "benefit of the doubt," and assume that his position was a bit more complicated than that.

All of that's perfectly reasonable, as far as I'm concerned (this coming from someone who actually agrees Donald Trump is a pretty objectively terrible 'Christian,' mind you).

It seems that this latest situation is being exaggerated as well, from what I'm seeing. The "invitation" actually didn't come from the Pope at all, but the head of some largely autonomous college associated with the Vatican.

an organization begun by the previous pope for a presentation to occur at the vatican

hard to imagine that invitation being extended without the papal blessing

 

[Gathomas88]

an organization begun by the previous pope for a presentation to occur at the vatican

hard to imagine that invitation being extended without the papal blessing

I don't know enough about the internal politics of the Vatican to even begin to comment on such a thing. All I know is that there is no indication that the Pope was directly involved, or if he even plans on meeting with Sanders in person at all.

It looks like some small-scale meeting of scholars, more than anything else.

Vatican: Pope Didn't Invite Bernie Sanders

It doesn't even look like the Pope is going to be in the country on that day, actually. Some sources are even saying that Sanders basically "invited himself," because he knew a lot of anti-Capitalist firebrands were going to be present.

Maybe he's just trying to pro-actively engineer some spin for his campaign. :shrug:

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I'm not sure if this is actually happening as the OP's trying to portray it. If it is, however, I'll go out on a limb here and say it's the first thing this Pope has done that I am legitimately "not cool" with.

Even putting aside the fact that Sanders is a Red Socialist, Atheist, Jew who is basically the polar opposite of everything the Church stands for, socially, morally, and politically, it's just... Well, really not the Pope's place to "play favorites" with secular political candidates like this. Is he going to invite the other candidates as well? If not, why not? What makes Sanders so special?

As I said, I suspect we're not actually getting the "whole story" here. The situation would appear to be somewhat problematic either way, however.

He wasn't invited by the pope, he was invited by some major Archbishop to the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a body of the Catholic church and located at the Vatican.

I think you're dead wrong about him being polar opposite of everything the church stands for. He's a Jew that can't stop talking about helping the poor and warning of the dangers of greed. He's practically Jesus incarnate on these issues. I think you might be mistaking real Jesus for American Jesus, who values rugged individualism above all else.

Sure, there are plenty of other issues Sanders and the Church won't agree on, but he's there to talk about reshaping the world into a "moral economy". He and Pope Francis share a LOT of commonality.

 

[Crovax]

He wasn't invited by the pope, he was invited by some major Archbishop to the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a body of the Catholic church and located at the Vatican.

I think you're dead wrong about him being polar opposite of everything the church stands for. He's a Jew that can't stop talking about helping the poor and warning of the dangers of greed. He's practically Jesus incarnate on these issues. I think you might be mistaking real Jesus for American Jesus, who values rugged individualism above all else.

Sure, there are plenty of other issues Sanders and the Church won't agree on, but he's there to talk about reshaping the world into a "moral economy". He and Pope Francis share a LOT of commonality.

Like the existence of a higher power? seems pretty silly the man you are calling "jesus" doesnt believe in a higher power...

 

[Blue_State]

Methinks the Catholics would seriously like a pope do-over.

I don't know about that.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

He wasn't invited by the pope, he was invited by some major Archbishop to the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a body of the Catholic church and located at the Vatican.

I think you're dead wrong about him being polar opposite of everything the church stands for. He's a Jew that can't stop talking about helping the poor and warning of the dangers of greed. He's practically Jesus incarnate on these issues. I think you might be mistaking real Jesus for American Jesus, who values rugged individualism above all else.

Sure, there are plenty of other issues Sanders and the Church won't agree on, but he's there to talk about reshaping the world into a "moral economy". He and Pope Francis share a LOT of commonality.

And, besides. If the Vatican were actively trying to prevent Sanders from arriving, we'd have known about it by now.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Like the existence of a higher power? seems pretty silly the man you are calling "jesus" doesnt believe in a higher power...

Let's see some sources that he doesn't believe in a higher power. Just because he's not a religious nut or isn't involving his religious beliefs into our politics doesn't mean he doesn't believe in a higher power. You do you realize that believing or not believing in a higher power has absolutely nothing to do with religion, right?

 

[Crovax]

Let's see some sources that he doesn't believe in a higher power. Just because he's not a religious nut or isn't involving his religious beliefs into our politics doesn't mean he doesn't believe in a higher power.

Did You Catch How Bernie Sanders Responded When Jimmy Kimmel Asked: ?Do You Believe in God?? | Video | TheBlaze.com

You do you realize that believing or not believing in a higher power has absolutely nothing to do with religion, right?

It has everything to do with the Christian and Jewish religions

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Where has the Pope expressed support for liberation theology?

Just look at his value he embraces, the policies he speaks in favor of and the policies he speaks out against..

For the record, do you know what liberation theology is?

Yes. Its a movement/practice in the Catholic-Christian faith that focuses mainly on the poor and the oppressed. It calls on the church and society as a whole to work toward a just society and more equal society through social and political change. It calls on the Church to align themselves with the working class and the poor and for the church to ally themselves with movements that call on bringing about a more equal and just society.

 

[Casper]

Just look at his value he embraces, the policies he speaks in favor of and the policies he speaks out against..


Yes. Its a movement/practice in the Catholic-Christian faith that focuses mainly on the poor and the oppressed. It calls on the church and society as a whole to work toward a just society and more equal society through social and political change. It calls on the Church to align themselves with the working class and the poor and for the church to ally themselves with movements that call on bringing about a more equal and just society.

The difference is the Church does not bankrupt itself to help the poor, Bernie on the other hand would do exactly that.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

The difference is the Church does not bankrupt itself to help the poor, Bernie on the other hand would do exactly that.

:roll: :yawn:
Im guessing why thats probably why the uphold the same tax policies as well.. Afterall they're gonna be speaking about overall economic policy and tax policy is a huge part of that.