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US courts strike down “Voter ID” laws in four states

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US courts recently struck down racist voter suppression laws in 4 states. Dealing yet another blow to the Republican party.

Recent court rulings concerning attacks on the right to vote in several states—North Carolina, Wisconsin, Kansas and North Dakota—underscore the deeply anti-democratic character of “Voter ID” laws, as well as the significance of the 2013 gutting of the Voting Rights Act by the US Supreme Court.

The Republican campaign against alleged vote fraud is itself a fraud, a means of blocking access to the polls on the part of voters—mainly minorities and youth—likely to vote Democratic. Impersonation of a voter is both exceedingly rare and highly inefficient as a means to steal an election. The much more likely methods of election rigging, through stuffing ballot boxes or manipulation of software in the tabulation of votes, are entirely unaffected by voter ID laws.

On July 29, the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit struck down key provisions of a North Carolina ballot access law that targeted African Americans and working class voters, in the words of the court ruling, “with almost surgical precision.”

The Republican-controlled North Carolina General Assembly prepared the law in question, SL 2013-381, on the day after the US Supreme Court handed down the reactionary ruling in Shelby County v. Holder in 2013, that struck down the preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The timing of the bill underscores its anti-democratic intent, and confirms the prediction of the World Socialist Web Site that the emasculation of the Voting Rights Act would encourage attacks on the right to vote.

According to the opinion by Judge Diana Motz, the Republican legislators behind SL 2013-381 requested data about the state voting practices and their use by race. Based on the data, the General Assembly prepared to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters, using race as a predictor of voter intent. (The court found that in North Carolina, race was a more accurate predictor of voter intent than even voting in a party’s primary). The new law restricted early voting, imposed photo ID requirements, ended same-day registration and preregistration for minors, and ended out-of-district provisional voting.

“Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist,” the opinion stated.

US courts strike down ?Voter ID? laws in four states - World Socialist Web Site
 

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There is no valid reason why an ID shouldn't be required to vote. You need it for nearly everything else. Every voter should have their identification verified to protect the integrity of an election. You shouldn't be able to walk up, make a self claim, and attempt to forge a signature that won't be checked and then cast a ballot.
 

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Yeah, one has to wonder who is really voting for what......



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There is no valid reason why an ID shouldn't be required to vote. You need it for nearly everything else. Every voter should have their identification verified to protect the integrity of an election. You shouldn't be able to walk up, make a self claim, and attempt to forge a signature that won't be checked and then cast a ballot.

Just to be sure I show my ID to the mailbox before casting my ballot. Good thing I do my part to prevent fraud
 

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US courts recently struck down racist voter suppression laws in 4 states. Dealing yet another blow to the Republican party.

How is requiring 100% of all voters to show photo ID racist?

To be racist, the law would have to only require one specific race to show photo ID's, while all the rest wouldn't.

Is it racist for your bank to require a photo ID in order to cash a check?
 

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Just to be sure I show my ID to the mailbox before casting my ballot. Good thing I do my part to prevent fraud

Some think elections are a chance for a party. Resurrection Day is a big holiday for Democrats and other socialists. Fraud is a traditional right.

In Mexico, they suffered for 70 years from the election fraud of the PRI, the Mexican Democrat Party, and when they finally lost total power the country quickly moved to try to instill some integrity in the system. One of the first steps was to initiate government-issued voter ID cards. They're not hard to get but you do have to go to a government office and I realize for millions of Democrats that's an unreasonable hurdle.

They also made voting in person mandatory. Elections are held on Sunday to make it more reasonable for working people to vote, poll workers are picked like jurors in the U.S. using the roll of electors in that neighborhood. A friend of mine's son was selected to be a poll worker. He went to one or two training sessions and then worked a twelve-hour day with his mother and brothers bringing him food. He mentioned one old woman who came to vote with her sons and neighbors carrying her in an easy chair. But, they recognized that voting without the person being present is made for fraud. They also recognize the problems inherent in allowing party partisans, union thugs, and dead people work at polling stations.

Maybe someday the Democrats will lose total power and elections in the U.S. can have integrity. When role models are Cuba, Venezuela, the old USSR, and France, it's unlikely though.
 

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I think most people, including the judges, know it isn't a matter of race but rather of election fraud. The Democrats are desperate to maintain voter fraud. Without dead people voting, people voting repeatedly, foreign nationals voting, convicted felons voting, and voters buses from where they live to swing states to vote Democrats have a problem.

The racism claim is bogus. The reality is election fraud and Democrat/socialist power.
 

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How is requiring 100% of all voters to show photo ID racist?
The rulings aren’t stating that the fundamental principle of voter ID is racist, they’re stating that these specific laws, along with the policies and practices surrounding them, had undue impact of specific groups, possibly quite deliberately. They all went beyond simple introduction of voter ID and it was generally those other aspects that raised the objections.
 

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How is requiring 100% of all voters to show photo ID racist?

To be racist, the law would have to only require one specific race to show photo ID's, while all the rest wouldn't.

Is it racist for your bank to require a photo ID in order to cash a check?

no, but it might be if your bank requires ID, then cuts the branch hours, then eliminates branch locations in minority communities requiring those customers to travel a distance and wait in long lines.

which is what many of these laws in full context were doing in addition to ID, reducing polling hours, reducing early voting, cutting polling locations, staffing, etc.
 

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Some think elections are a chance for a party. Resurrection Day is a big holiday for Democrats and other socialists. Fraud is a traditional right.

In Mexico, they suffered for 70 years from the election fraud of the PRI, the Mexican Democrat Party, and when they finally lost total power the country quickly moved to try to instill some integrity in the system. One of the first steps was to initiate government-issued voter ID cards. They're not hard to get but you do have to go to a government office and I realize for millions of Democrats that's an unreasonable hurdle.

They also made voting in person mandatory. Elections are held on Sunday to make it more reasonable for working people to vote, poll workers are picked like jurors in the U.S. using the roll of electors in that neighborhood. A friend of mine's son was selected to be a poll worker. He went to one or two training sessions and then worked a twelve-hour day with his mother and brothers bringing him food. He mentioned one old woman who came to vote with her sons and neighbors carrying her in an easy chair. But, they recognized that voting without the person being present is made for fraud. They also recognize the problems inherent in allowing party partisans, union thugs, and dead people work at polling stations.

Maybe someday the Democrats will lose total power and elections in the U.S. can have integrity. When role models are Cuba, Venezuela, the old USSR, and France, it's unlikely though.

There is no significant pattern of fraud in US elections. voting ID laws only target one type of fraud, which is people claiming to be someone else while physically at the polls. this is the rarest type. it's easy to enforce this, when my father used to go down to the polling station (before WA went to all postal voting) they never asked for ID, he told them who he was and they found his name on a precinct list of registered voters and crossed it off with a marker, no one else claiming to be my father could vote under his name after that time. I watched this happen because he would drag us kids with him to the polling place.

the postal voting is great too, I get my ballot in the mail, I get it two weeks before the election, I fill it out at the post office, stamp it, and send it back in the outgoing mail. you have to register using an ID card number or social security number or an affidavit. the county auditors regularlily (every month) get the lists of deaths in Washington state from county coroners and Dept of Health and remove deceased persons from voting rolls.
 
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There is no significant pattern of fraud in US elections. voting ID laws only target one type of fraud, which is people claiming to be someone else while physically at the polls. this is the rarest type. it's easy to enforce this, when my father used to go down to the polling station (before WA went to all postal voting) they never asked for ID, he told them who he was and they found his name on a precinct list of registered voters and crossed it off with a marker, no one else claiming to be my father could vote under his name after that time. I watched this happen because he would drag us kids with him to the polling place.

the postal voting is great too, I get my ballot in the mail, I get it two weeks before the election, I fill it out at the post office, stamp it, and send it back in the outgoing mail. you have to register using an ID card number or social security number or an affidavit. the county auditors regularlily (every month) get the lists of deaths in Washington state from county coroners and Dept of Health and remove deceased persons from voting rolls.

I can understand that if you think voting under someone else's name, a fictitious name, or voting in more than one precinct in one election is not a problem, or is in fact a benefit, then Voter ID would make no sense.

Oh, and the mail in ballots are so convenient. When my father was in the nursing home the thugs from the Democrat party would come in with absentee ballots already filled in, just for convenience, and would then coerce the elderly, and with any luck, senile, patients to sign the forms. So handy. So convenient. Sadly, for them, my sister caught them pressuring dad. Even in states where this sort of corrupt practice is illegal it continues.

And, if I assumed your state was diligent about checking death certificates against registered voters, and I don't, that doesn't address people who die on vacation or at their winter retreat in Arizona. It's the same as people who register to vote in New York and also in Florida where they winter.

I do understand the need for Democrats to maintain the current corrupt system. That's why the federal government is suing states that try to have honest elections. Voting Democrat is more important than honest elections. That's why Melowese Richardson was hailed as a Democrat hero when she got her early release from prison.
 

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There is no valid reason why an ID shouldn't be required to vote. You need it for nearly everything else. Every voter should have their identification verified to protect the integrity of an election. You shouldn't be able to walk up, make a self claim, and attempt to forge a signature that won't be checked and then cast a ballot.

And there is no valid reason why it should be required either. I'm a bit of column A and a bit of Column B on this one. I don't like restrictive laws being passed without need or cause, but I'm also aware we should protect our system. However, since there is no proof of widespread voter fraud on either side, I'm willing to forgo these restrictions as they may place an undue burden on voters.
 

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And there is no valid reason why it should be required either. I'm a bit of column A and a bit of Column B on this one. I don't like restrictive laws being passed without need or cause, but I'm also aware we should protect our system. However, since there is no proof of widespread voter fraud on either side, I'm willing to forgo these restrictions as they may place an undue burden on voters.

There is proof of dead people voting. There is proof of the Democrat Party sending counterfeit voter registration cards to foreign nationals. There is proof of people voting twice. There is proof of people giving motels as their address when they vote in states where they don't live.

How much voter fraud is needed to justify a system that reduces fraud. That depends on how much voter fraud is needed by the Democrat Party.
 

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There is proof of dead people voting. There is proof of the Democrat Party sending counterfeit voter registration cards to foreign nationals. There is proof of people voting twice. There is proof of people giving motels as their address when they vote in states where they don't live.

How much voter fraud is needed to justify a system that reduces fraud. That depends on how much voter fraud is needed by the Democrat Party.

Please educate yourself and spare yourself further embarrassment.

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud
Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

And 'Democrat' Party? What's that? Never heard of it.
 

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I can understand that if you think voting under someone else's name, a fictitious name, or voting in more than one precinct in one election is not a problem, or is in fact a benefit, then Voter ID would make no sense.
and voter ID catches none of that except for voting under another's name, since in states with in person polls you still have to be registered to cast a ballot or else it's provisional.
Oh, and the mail in ballots are so convenient. When my father was in the nursing home the thugs from the Democrat party would come in with absentee ballots already filled in, just for convenience, and would then coerce the elderly, and with any luck, senile, patients to sign the forms. So handy. So convenient. Sadly, for them, my sister caught them pressuring dad. Even in states where this sort of corrupt practice is illegal it continues.
This is highly illegal. and in Washington if you're disable and need someone else to sign the ballot it requires two signatures from witnesses who are also registered voters. If anyone was actually caught doing this they would be prosecuted. I think you're making it up.

And, if I assumed your state was diligent about checking death certificates against registered voters, and I don't, that doesn't address people who die on vacation or at their winter retreat in Arizona. It's the same as people who register to vote in New York and also in Florida where they winter.

Computers my friend, make this thing easy to catch. there's already national databases used to catch double registrations. my own county several years ago prosecuted several people for just that kind of thing. if the computers catch someone with the same name and same details registered to vote in two different states then those respective county officials get an alert and investigate it. Voter ID also wouldn't prevent that since that double registrants ID will have their name one it matching the voter registration info. in my previous county (Kitsap) I talked to the former county auditor (Walt Washington) about this very issue, he said over the years his office investigated dozens of double registrations, and they never found even ONE case of a "double registrant" casting two ballots in the same election, mainly it was military folks from other states who registered in Washington and voted in Washington having never canceled their previous, but they never voted on their previous registration, in those cases the county auditor simply sends a letter to elections officials at the previous registration and the old one is canceled.

I do understand the need for Democrats to maintain the current corrupt system. That's why the federal government is suing states that try to have honest elections. Voting Democrat is more important than honest elections. That's why Melowese Richardson was hailed as a Democrat hero when she got her early release from prison.

if these states passed only voter ID it likely wouldn't be an issue, this voter ID push comes on the immediate strike down of the voting rights act, and includes various measures like closing polling stations in poor neighborhoods, eliminating early voting, etc.
 
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There is proof of dead people voting. There is proof of the Democrat Party sending counterfeit voter registration cards to foreign nationals. There is proof of people voting twice. There is proof of people giving motels as their address when they vote in states where they don't live.

How much voter fraud is needed to justify a system that reduces fraud. That depends on how much voter fraud is needed by the Democrat Party.

Why would you send a counterfeit card? if you want true electoral fraud you would send genuine cards.

not in Washington there's not, we check other states registration system (all of which is public record btw, you can order the whole master voter list from WA sec state and from any state you please and match them yourself if you so desire) in some states you are permitted to register at public places if you have no permanent residence.

RCW 29A.08.112
Voters without traditional residential addresses.
No person registering to vote, who meets all the qualifications of a registered voter in the state of Washington, shall be disqualified because he or she lacks a traditional residential address. A voter who lacks a traditional residential address will be registered and assigned to a precinct based on the location provided.
For the purposes of this section, a voter who resides in a shelter, park, motor home, marina, or other identifiable location that the voter deems to be his or her residence lacks a traditional address. A voter who registers under this section must provide a valid mailing address, and must still meet the requirement in Article VI, section 1 of the state Constitution that he or she live in the area for at least thirty days before the election.
A person who has a traditional residential address must use that address for voter registration purposes and is not eligible to register under this section.

many people register to vote at libraries, county courthouses, marinas (if they live on a houseboat for example) college dorms, etc. this is not fraud, so long as they are eligible to vote and only vote once.

I don't know how you would intend to solve this anyway, every place I've ever lived they take your word for where you live. when I moved to Grapeview I just had to go to the courthouse and they changed it right there. so you require a lease to change your registration? well I can print a lease off of microsoft word in about 1 minute. we have no fraud now, why make people commit it just to exercise a basic right?
 

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There is proof of dead people voting. There is proof of the Democrat Party sending counterfeit voter registration cards to foreign nationals. There is proof of people voting twice. There is proof of people giving motels as their address when they vote in states where they don't live.

How much voter fraud is needed to justify a system that reduces fraud. That depends on how much voter fraud is needed by the Democrat Party.

Small, isolated incidents. Not in any number that has actually effected the outcome as I understand it. Can you link anything where it's been massive?
 

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US courts recently struck down racist voter suppression laws in 4 states. Dealing yet another blow to the Republican party.



US courts strike down ?Voter ID? laws in four states - World Socialist Web Site

This is one of the most ludicrous issues ever raised. It just proves how wacky the left really is- and how desperate they are to perpetuate voter fraud. Everyone has the right to vote and the responsibility to demonstrate to the poll officials that they have that right. Every person in Georgia is entitled to receive state ID cards for free. It costs $0. There is no legal way to exist in society without having the ability to prove who you are- you can't do anything without identification. Who are these American citizens who do not have valid ID's?

Make ID's free across the country. Every citizen gets one. And you must bring it with you to vote. Period. Whether you are white, black or pea green purple.
 

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There is no valid reason why an ID shouldn't be required to vote. You need it for nearly everything else. Every voter should have their identification verified to protect the integrity of an election. You shouldn't be able to walk up, make a self claim, and attempt to forge a signature that won't be checked and then cast a ballot.

so much for equal protection. I get so sick of hearing equal protection when it isn't equal protection.
 

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There is no valid reason why an ID shouldn't be required to vote. You need it for nearly everything else. Every voter should have their identification verified to protect the integrity of an election. You shouldn't be able to walk up, make a self claim, and attempt to forge a signature that won't be checked and then cast a ballot.

Absolutely correct.

After all . . . .

Colorado Counties Have More Voters Than People

North Carolina Finds 2,214 Registered Voters over the Age of 110

FL: Bloated voter rolls show capacity for fraud, say analysts

Oh, we've got no voter fraud problem in the least. (someone who's stuck their head in the sand)
 

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There is no valid reason why an ID shouldn't be required to vote. You need it for nearly everything else. Every voter should have their identification verified to protect the integrity of an election. You shouldn't be able to walk up, make a self claim, and attempt to forge a signature that won't be checked and then cast a ballot.
Yeah, the thing is? That almost never happens, and there is very little voter fraud in the US these days. It is not 1930, when Republicans and Democrats alike used to pack supporters into buses and drive them to multiple polling stations.

Back in the real world, it is looking more and more like the SCOTUS' ruling on the Voting Rights Act was a big mistake. Who'da thunk it? Oh wait, I remember who.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...t-supreme-court-ruling-shelby-county-v-holder
 

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But that in and of itself is not evidence of voter fraud, for one thing the Census Bureau numbers are estimates are not exact Otoes of population since population is fluid and always changing. Secondly in many cases it is actually not illegal to be registered to vote somewhere other than where you live as long as you intend to make your permanent residence in the area you're registered to vote and you maintain no other activator registrations or attempt to double vote.


Again not evidence of fraud, it may be evidence that the state is not always speedy in removing deceased persons from voting rolls.
Also the entire voter registration database in most states is open to the public. If you are so concerned that there's electoral fraud in North Carolina by deceased persons, you could easily get the master list for yourself find all of these persons age 110 or older, and physically canvas the residences and compared to return ballots and maybe run your names to the Social Security death Index I mean there is so many ways that you could verify for sure if Fraud was occurring, without much difficulty really. So go ahead put in the groundwork and prove that there is electoral fraud in North Carolina I just given you all the weeds you need to be a muckraker.

FL: Bloated voter rolls show capacity for fraud, say analysts

Oh, we've got no voter fraud problem in the least. (someone who's stuck their head in the sand)

Again speculation without much evidence but if you are sure it is occurring just like with North Carolina you could easily find out yourself using publicly available resources
 

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Yeah, the thing is? That almost never happens, and there is very little voter fraud in the US these days. It is not 1930, when Republicans and Democrats alike used to pack supporters into buses and drive them to multiple polling stations.

Back in the real world, it is looking more and more like the SCOTUS' ruling on the Voting Rights Act was a big mistake. Who'da thunk it? Oh wait, I remember who.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...t-supreme-court-ruling-shelby-county-v-holder
As much as I dislike voting suppression, Obama has no place to talk, his admin has no problem suppressing people's rights, he could enact an EO tommorow eliminating the BS requirement to have ID to access federal offices tommorow, but chooses not to. He is equally guilty of this game
 

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no, but it might be if your bank requires ID, then cuts the branch hours, then eliminates branch locations in minority communities requiring those customers to travel a distance and wait in long lines.

which is what many of these laws in full context were doing in addition to ID, reducing polling hours, reducing early voting, cutting polling locations, staffing, etc.

You haven't been to a bank in a while, have you? They're already doing all that. They want you to bank online.
 
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