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US constitution - pagan document for pagans The constitution a pagan document

Re: US constitution - pagan document for pagansThe constitution a pagan document

shuamort said:
The problem with this and the whole them of thread is in the argument that since the document isn't christian then it must be pagan. This is a http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/fd.phpfalse dilemma and completely ignores what the definition of a pagan is on top of that.



Using that logic, we'll come to:
This board is either Christian or it's Pagan.

Then you throw a post hoc ergo propter hoc into the mix:

Using your logic further, we'll get:
Since the board isn't Christian, it must be Pagan.
Therefore, the board is pagan.

When in reality, the board ascribes to no religion and the assumptions made about it are thusly false. Just as the assumptions made above about the Constitution are false. It is not a pagan document nor was it written by pagans.
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He's trying to find another little picture story so he can properly respond....
 
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Plain old me said:
Right on the button. Guaranteed freedom is a precious thing, and its this worthless peice of paper that prevents anyone legislating against you practising your religion Shamgar, or legislating against us getting together and expressing the opinions we can express on this forum. Pagen or not, I think the constitution is a vital document for the US.
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Comrade, ( your live in a socialist country so I hope you are not too offended) that worthless scrap of paper has never guaranteed my religious freedoms . .. . my God does. . . and the only thing "vital" for the US IS the word of God. . .

2 Chron 7: 14 if My people, who are called by My name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

shuamort . . . .do you enjoy being illogical, incoherent and irrational? . . . .it appears you do . . .



 
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Comrade, ( your live in a socialist country so I hope you are not too offended) that worthless scrap of paper has never guaranteed my religious freedoms . .. . my God does. . . and the only thing "vital" for the US IS the word of God. . .

2 Chron 7: 14 if My people, who are called by My name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
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the way america is right now is because of that "worthless piece of paper." That same "worthless piece of paper" is the model for many constitutions around the world. You wouldn't have the life you have right now if it weren't for it.
 
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Shamgar said:
shuamort . . . .do you enjoy being illogical, incoherent and irrational? . . . .it appears you do . . .
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Hmm, it seems that cnredd understood my post. You ignored my points, is there something I can make more clear for you or should we just censure you for personal attacks?
 
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nkgupta80 said:
the way america is right now is because of that "worthless piece of paper." That same "worthless piece of paper" is the model for many constitutions around the world. You wouldn't have the life you have right now if it weren't for it.
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A model for cesspools around the world. . . . .
 
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Shamgar said:
You should stop bothering her then . . . she obviously wants you quiet . . . .
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...what the heck was that? Some lame attempt at comeback that didn't even make sense?
 
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vergiss said:
...what the heck was that? Some lame attempt at comeback that didn't even make sense?
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I must admit I really didn't put too much effort into a response to your . . . impotent comment . . . . you know the ad hominem . . . .

 
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You know, you're not really helping your lack of sense.
 
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vergiss said:
You know, you're not really helping your lack of sense.
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You know you have yet to prove I have "a lack of sense" . . . you only have an unsubstantiated opinion and let's not forget your personal attacks . . .


Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself. The statement "2+2=4" is true regardless if is stated by criminals, congressmen, or pastors. There are two subcategories:

(1) Abusive: To argue that proposals, assertions, or arguments must be false or dangerous because they originate with atheists, Christians, Communists, capitalists, the John Birch Society, Catholics, anti-Catholics, racists, anti-racists, feminists, misogynists (or any other group) is fallacious. This persuasion comes from irrational psychological transference rather than from an appeal to evidence or logic concerning the issue at hand. This is similar to the genetic fallacy, and only an anti-intellectual would argue otherwise.

(2) Circumstantial: To argue that an opponent should accept an argument because of circumstances in his or her life. If one's adversary is a clergyman, suggesting that he should accept a particular argument because not to do so would be incompatible with the scriptures is such a fallacy. To argue that, because the reader is a Republican or Democrat, she must vote for a specific measure is likewise a circumstantial fallacy. The opponent's special circumstances have no control over the truth of a specific contention. This is also similar to the genetic fallacy in some ways. If you are a college student who wants to learn rational thought, you simply must avoid circumstantial fallacies.
 
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...okay...
 
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vergiss said:
...okay...
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Say since you are pro-israeli (wouldn't it be real funny if the US stopped funding israel - they would certainly get what they deserved then, wouldn't they?) maybe you can tell me. why hasn't israel formed a multitude of nations? Of course since they are "God's chosen people" (at least according to the propaganda) they should have formed a multitude of nations long ago . . .all israel has is a single state . . . and they are few in number . . .

 
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Shamgar said:
Say since you are pro-israeli (wouldn't it be real funny if the US stopped funding israel - they would certainly get what they deserved then, wouldn't they?) maybe you can tell me. why hasn't israel formed a multitude of nations? Of course since they are "God's chosen people" (at least according to the propaganda) they should have formed a multitude of nations long ago . . .all israel has is a single state . . . and they are few in number . . .

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If this website didn't allow pictures, how on earth would you ever get a point across?!?

Have you ever had a thought that couldn't be backed up with "picture pages"?

You remind me of the guy Steve Martin talks for in "Roxanne"...Martin was hiding in the bushes telling the guy what to say to the girl up in the window...
 
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Shamgar said:
Say since you are pro-israeli (wouldn't it be real funny if the US stopped funding israel - they would certainly get what they deserved then, wouldn't they?) maybe you can tell me. why hasn't israel formed a multitude of nations? Of course since they are "God's chosen people" (at least according to the propaganda) they should have formed a multitude of nations long ago . . .all israel has is a single state . . . and they are few in number . . .

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Psssst... God wants you to jump off a skyscraper. Please do so.
 
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vergiss said:
Psssst... God wants you to jump off a skyscraper. Please do so.
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Oh no more attacks . . . you must be upset about the fact that the sandbox in israel doesn't count as a multitude of nations . . . . :lol: :lol: . . . funny how propaganda doesn't change facts . . .
 
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Yes. Indeed. Because world domination was definitely on my list of things to achieve today.
 
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vergiss said:
Yes. Indeed. Because world domination was definitely on my list of things to achieve today.
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You have to have a population to do that "world domination" so you had better run out and start convincing "God's chosen" to start breeding since they haven't hit the numbers required for such a task . . .

Gen 22: 17 that in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies.

Gen 32: 12 And You said, I will surely do you good, and make your seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.
 
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Shamgar said:
Comrade, ( your live in a socialist country so I hope you are not too offended)
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Not at all, though its not quite that socialist...yet.

Shamgar said:
that worthless scrap of paper has never guaranteed my religious freedoms . .. . my God does. . . and the only thing "vital" for the US IS the word of God. . .
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But unfortunately God does not have a seat in the US Congress, and were it not for the constitution, it would only be the common sense of the politicians to stop anything that limited your right to practice.
 
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Shamgar said:
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And so you think the US would be better under a theocracy, the problem is not everyone in the US is Christian, and not every Christian in the US agrees with your interpretation, as this site exemplifies. Theocracies place all the power in a single group of people, and alienates all the rest, you really think this is the way forward?
 
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Plain old me said:
And so you think the US would be better under a theocracy, the problem is not everyone in the US is Christian, and not every Christian in the US agrees with your interpretation, as this site exemplifies. Theocracies place all the power in a single group of people, and alienates all the rest, you really think this is the way forward?
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I don't think the British were too concerned when they went to other countries (in the early years) and brought Chrisitianity along with them . . . .

Plain old me said:
Not at all, though its not quite that socialist...yet.
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well comrade, that is like being a "little bit pregnant" either you are or you are not . . . you are . . . .

Plain old me said:
But unfortunately God does not have a seat in the US Congress, and were it not for the constitution, it would only be the common sense of the politicians to stop anything that limited your right to practice.
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Comrade, the world is God's so He owns every seat in the US congress. . . .

Psalms 24: 1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD's, and the fullness of it; the world, and those who dwell in it.

. . . .and controls every seat in the US congress . . . .

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD as the rivers of water; He turns it wherever He will.


. . . . politics are run by greed and power not "common sense" . . . . certainly not by the word of God. . . . even you should know that comrade . . .
 
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shuamort said:
Where does the bible have anything to say about "race-mixing"?
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Here I thought you were the big "expert" . . . .
 
Shamgar said:
Here I thought you were the big "expert" . . . .
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If I had a nickel for everytime I've heard that. :mrgreen:
 
Stop twisting scripture and quoting only certain parts of the whole book.
 
128shot said:
Stop twisting scripture and quoting only certain parts of the whole book.
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Well pull out your "quote'n bible" out from underneath your pillow and prove me wrong . . . .



. . . or do you need some more non-sleepy church attendance before your can answer?

 
Well, seeing as we should be christ like.

Try Pacificism for once.

my greatest defense is the down hold meaning of being a christian. In the end, you can't be a good christian, if you can't treat others right.
 
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