Mhmm I'm one of those rare members who actually reads sources before responding to a post. Did you have anything new to add? If not, then neither do I atm.
The minerals agency since January 2009 has approved at least three huge lease sales, 103 seismic blasting projects and 346 drilling plans. Agency records also show that permission for those projects and plans was granted without getting the permits required under federal law.
In a letter from September 2009, obtained by The New York Times, NOAA accused the minerals agency of a pattern of understating the likelihood and potential consequences of a major spill in the gulf and understating the frequency of spills that have already occurred there.
Managers at the agency have routinely overruled staff scientists whose findings highlight the environmental risks of drilling, according to a half-dozen current or former agency scientists.
Those approvals, federal records show, include one for the well drilled by the Deepwater Horizon rig, which exploded on April 20, killing 11 workers and resulting in thousands of barrels of oil spilling into the gulf each day.
What source would you like?
Calculations of Gulf Spill Volume Are Questioned - NYTimes.com
Gulf oil spill could be larger than U.S. estimates - Green House - USATODAY.com
Gulf Oil Spill: Larger Than We Know? - ABC News
It's obvious you believe what you are told to believe.
Oh noes1!1 you found me out :shock:
Urban Dictionary: evil conservative
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I said new information, not redundant information. Your links are just saying the same thing over and over which I've already responded to, so I'll sit back and wait until there's something NEW.
BBC News - BP says latest scheme to halt US oil leak working well
Oh man, I'm so sorry guys, it looks like they're getting the situation under control. Oh well, so much for 3x/8x Exxon Valdez. Maybe next time we'll have something valid for you get all worked up over.
Jerry, it's people like you who...
Seriously, I didn't read more than that.
It's "people like me" who stand up to serve and defend the country, so I don't give a **** what some anon's opinion of me is.
If you have anything of substance to bring to the thread, especially something of technical significances (as opposed to political significance), please let me know. Otherwise, we have a Basement, you can take it there.
A little touchy on the obvious, ehh? :2wave: What in the hell does being in the military have to do with being outed as a partisan? All of your "opinions" of this spill have been that it's no big deal, that the left is making a mountain out of a molehill. "People like you" who use their service as an excuse to browbeat anyone who exposes your true colors are a waste of time discussing anything with.
I brought substance and showed your article to be partisan because it didn't print all the facts. I wasn't trying to make points, just showing another opinion. It was you who had to slink down and go the rightee, personal attack route, as usual. I'm sorry you don't like, and can't take, the truth. If you're going to dish it out you should learn to take it too.
Seriously, I didn't read more than that.
It's "people like me" who stand up to serve and defend the country, so I don't give a **** what some anon's opinion of me is.
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Jerry, it's people like you who try to make every issue a right versus left thang that makes it so hard for both sides to work together when it's a really important issue, like this is. Contrary to the right wing's talking points, that you seem to march to, nobody wants this oil spill to get worse. The quicker it gets controlled and shut down the better. Nobody wins if this gets worse.
Brag much?
No but I think you are.
So, yeah, just got back from drill, we totally SMOKED the other detachments in the competition. I mean we didn't just win, we PWN'd, we ****ing owned their asses in every event. Land-nav, DnC, general knowledge, medical, and I got the best time dismantling/reassembling the M16 with a passing functions check.....we were baddass.
So while I was out being a winner with the Guard this weekend, did the world end?
But no seriously, did they lower the top-hat or insert that tube yet? Any news of any sort?
...technical news, not 'some politician/op-ed/talking-head said ABC' or 'some tree-huger said ZOMG Oh noes!1!!'....anything at least pretending to be semi-intelligent?
My service grounds my identity and confidence in myself. I'm sorry that intimidates you into reacting when someone doesn't give a **** about your opinion of them.
As for my article, I got home from drill,
logged to see what the world was up to, clicked on the "Latest Headlines" button at the top of FireFox and found something which was news to me. If it's biased, that's fine, I didn't write it so I have nothing to worry about. I read every other article sourced on this thread so it's not like I have a limited scope of news consumption relative to your own.
My interest in the story is technical, not political,
so from my perspective biased sources which give more technical information are of more value than unbiased sources which only discuss opinion or policy.
So what if this spill is currently bigger than the Exxon Valdez? So the ****
what?
I'm not trying to be crass what I ask that.
This spill is nothing compared to other spills much larger, AND you never heard anything about those spills because a politician didn't need political will to make policy.
Blow-outs happen all the ****ing time. All the ****ing time. Obviously this blow
out was hosting a faulty BOP, and **** got spilled. When this thread started we
were talking 5K barrels per day. Seriously that's nothing. 5K is nothing…
… and you folks were crying like it was the end of the world. If this thread had started with either accurate numbers of a leveled response to the very low number of 5K,
maybe my contributions would have been angled differently.
So the left pissed it's pants over 5K per day, only to later realize it's over
10x that. Frankly I'm surprised the Left didn't commit mass suicide over the
news.
At least this time it's not America's fault. Valdez was a drunk American
skipper, if I recall correctly. Deepwater was European owned rig leased to a
European company.
You got to be kidding? You can't seriously believe you aren't a partisan hack, you calling ANYONE a partisan is irony personified. Seriously, are you seriously suggesting you are objective when it comes to left right politics?
Hey pal, get over yourself. Neither you nor your service “intimidates” anybody.
Oh, are you in the “service”? Ooooohhhh….. We better give your posts more credit then, or give you more leeway with your personal attacks,ehh? :roll:
If “your scope” was “not limited”, and you are indeed informed of info that debunks your silly positions here, then it’s obvious your opinion is not to be given much credit. Don’t act like you don’t have a dog in this fight. Any excuse to attack Obama, or the left, works fine for you… even when your position is proven to be wrong or have holes in it.
Bull****. It’s another excuse to attack Obama and try to make fun of people who care about our environment, as IF they are all leftees. :doh
Sure you are. You revel in riling up folks, who you wrongly assume are mostly on the left, who actually live down there and will be personally affected by it. Some of those people are even on your side of the political fence. THEY get it. This oil leak is not political. It is reality. But, to you, it is just another reason to make fun of something that you think will give you a free shot at Obama. Pathetic. There comes a time when the sword of politics should be laid down to fight a common enemy. You are a symbol of what’s wrong with politics these days.
This has the potential to have a much bigger impact than the Valdez did, even if it doesn’t get bigger than it. And it’s obvious you don’t care about any of the implications of that.
Except that, if the leak doesn’t get plugged, or controlled, then the leak will surpass the Exxon Valdez in about 52 days. The Valdez was a major disaster and it happened in an unpopulated area. This leak is in the #1 fishing area in the U.S. THAT would make it a pretty big ****ing deal.
And now we know, from one of the survivors from the rig, that BP was the one responsible for breaking that BOP. And BP KNEW it was broke! It should be interesting to hear your retort to that. Somehow it's probably Obama's fault, I'm sure.
How so? At the time, those numbers were accepted by most people to be accurate.
Actually, it IS America’s fault. And it goes back to your heroes Bush and Cheeney. They started gutting the oil regs, allowing companies like BP to basically act in our waters like they do in other countries where there are no regs. True enough that our own MMS is to blame for this too. But, considering it’s full of Cheeney puppets it comes as no surprise how they’ve acted.
Technical information? Such as?
The truth is that you aren't open minded enough to tell the difference. People on here try to talk to you with an "open mind" all the time, to no avail. They are usually surprised when you 1) call them "partisan", when they're simply being "open minded", and then you 2) attack them personally. Oi vey! :lol:
No, I quoted the right post.
No, I quoted the right post.
A show of hands: Who knows the difference between heavy crude and light-sweet crude?
A show of hands: Who knows the difference between heavy crude and light-sweet crude?
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