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10 you're absolutely right in this. The Rev is wrong. I'm not sure why he thinks it is so unusual for someone to get a waiver for a crime so as to enlist in the military. I personally know several people this has happened to.
Because then they could verify that what I say is true.
There's a record of his arrest, of his charges being suspended, and of his joining the military, isn't there?
The Cap'n's some kind of therapist for teens; he could access these records if he wanted to. And he would never do anything to hurt us, because he's ethical.
My brother had that--joined the Navy.
They suspend the charges and then drop them. It's part of the bargaining to determine what he might be charged with--and then charges are never actually filed. At least that's how I understand it. It's not being "forced" it's giving them a choice.
I had forgotten that this was your 17-year-old. This makes your story even more credible. I've seen this many times. I believe that the terminology was not explained to you properly, which is the confusion. There is no doubt in my mind that you are telling the truth, here...and EVERYONE knows I am the first to go after liars...friend or foe.
I do not need your personal information to confirm your story. This is how it would happen in NJ. Kid gets arrested. Kid goes to court. Kid gets PTI (pre-trial intervention). This intervention can be a variety of things...community service, military service, counseling, etc... If the kid agrees to this, and follows through with what the court "suggested", then, depending on the the charge, either his record would be expunged, or the consequences of the charge would be eliminated. I have a client, right now, that went through this process. He refused (idiot) and is now facing jail time.
I would always be cautious about sharing personal information on the internet. I am precisely who and what I say I am, but having been involved in internet safety for 10+ years, it's always a little concerning. I do not need your information to confirm what you are saying is accurate, and I'm not sure I could find out anything else if I did.
My suggestion is to let it go. What you say is accurate. Ignore those who do not believe you.
And I also suggest that we end this publicly. No need for it to continue.
Because the alternative was going to jail.
It is exactly as I've stated.
And yes, apparently it happens fairly routinely.
I will not post further details of his situation on the public board; most of my forum friends are already aware of the situation, as it's something I've been dealing with since mid-December.
As I've stated, if proof is needed, I will give his personal information to the Cap'n or someone I can trust, and they can verify it for you.
Repeating over and over that it sounds fishy is pointless.
It happened. It's happening now. I can prove it.
Conquer,
Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:
"Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."
Please comment.
"adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court,"
please reconcile.
I should like to do so but I can't, because even judges brake the law.
Of course that Europe has different laws, but in the case of my relative, his father started the deal by giving an expensive gold pen as a gift from his wife to the judge. When it came his son's case turn, the judge listened the case and gave him the choice between jail and the army. The son didn't say anything but his father chose the army for many reasons and the main one was to avoid criminal records for his son.
I have no idea if the army is capable to investigate every similar case in US and around the world, but I agree with 10 that such indeed happens, and if 10 was joking then I am not because I saw my brother in law servicing in the navy of his country right after his case in court. His service in the navy lasted two years, and he has no criminal records as far as I know.
Undoubtedly young 1069 was "interviewed" and determined acceptable. :roll: Jeesh--why so invested in this, Rev. It's certainly PLAUSIBLE. The waiver occurred via the interview.
I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :rofl:
I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :rofl:
I offered to join the Army, but they thought I'd be more beneficial continue to them fighting liberalism on this website. :rofl:
I can't believe you think I would lie about what's happening to my poor baby.
Do you really think this makes a good or entertaining story?
My friends on the board, including the Cap'n, have known about all this since mid-December. I've been distraught, I've been PMing them about things as they develop. This is my youngest, my baby, my 17-year-old. Just turned 17.
Is everyone else on the board also willing to give Cap'n their children's names and social security numbers so that he can look into their criminal records and verify that they are who they say they are?
I have been extremely careful about sharing identifying information in my years on this board.
I think I can trust the Cap'n not to mess things up for us, at least not deliberately. I'm just so scared about giving out my baby's name and identifying information to anyone on the internet, when his situation is so precarious. He's enlisted, but he's not shipping for months yet. I've got to get him safely through the next few months. It's just a very uncertain time. His safety, his future, and possibly his very life is hanging in the balance, and I think that might be a little more important than mom's internet cred, unless mom is a completely psychotic asshole. I trust the Cap'n, but I don't really know who he is. And if the forum at large, after knowing me three years, thinks I'd lie about such a thing, I'm not sure why I'd feel compelled to give out my minor child's identifying information in order to prove anything to you anyway. You obviously don't know me, care about me, or have my or my child's best interests at heart.
Cap'n, tell me what to do. What would you do in this situation?
And Rev, don't you ever let me catch you impunging others' service again. Your service isn't crap, compared to being forced to send one's beloved child into war. If you think I wouldn't go in his place if they'd let me, you're insane, you don't understand what it is to be a parent, and you aren't fit to be one, and you never will be.
Actually, I don't believe you are lying. If you went ahead with this, I am sure that the Reverend would end up having to apologize to you.
BTW - I made my post before I noticed CC's warning post, so sorry I stuck my nose into this.
Truce, 10?
Many of these suicides aren't about the deployments. They occur after the serviceman has come home to find his life turned upside down because he married an unsupportive cheater.
The whole "PTSD" excuse is largely a sham for sympathy. To state that it is simply because of the deployment is erroneous and it does no favor to those who actually suffer from PTSD.
Of course they're not going to reveal cheaters in the poll because it would reveal how morally bankrupt this country is in the family values dept.
The whole "PTSD" excuse is largely a sham for sympathy.
Denial of post traumatic stress disorder shows disrespect for the military and the true cost of their service. These men and women have had too much asked of them, and deserve all the support we can provide.
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