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Look, it's true, he enlisted, he's going.
He has to go, or else he's going to jail.
I'm not trying to open some big legal can of worms here.
I don't know if he's legally eligible or not, but this is what happened, and he's already enlisted.
Don't make any trouble for him. This is his best chance.
I think it best for him that he does go...
That said,.... the way you are claiming it happened, is in opposite of military regulation.
Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:
"Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."
I'm going to PM the Cap'n his name, and he can verify that everything I've said is true.
I don't know how they did it, but they did. It's legal. He's going.
That would suck if after he got back and the law wasn't in his favor and he still had to fix his legal issues. Maybe you should make sure its legal even though it happened.
I'm going to PM the Cap'n his name, and he can verify that everything I've said is true.
I don't know how they did it, but they did. It's legal. He's going.
That would suck if after he got back and the law wasn't in his favor and he still had to fix his legal issues. Maybe you should make sure its legal and he's going to get exactly what he asked for in the end. (If it hasn't already been verified and not just told.)
why would anyone need his name?
i asked you what one would need to know and no personal info is needed.
You would need to pm him the case and its ruling.,.....
Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:
"Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."
Read this.... unless the court and the recruiter lied to the Army, there is no way that he was ordered by the court to go to the military or go to jail..... and if he was, he would then be instantly ineligable by the military to be accepted.
It's legal.
I shouldn't have said he didn't want to go.
Nobody's forced him to enlist. He got to pick the branch and everything.
It's legal.
10 you're absolutely right in this. The Rev is wrong. I'm not sure why he thinks it is so unusual for someone to get a waiver for a crime so as to enlist in the military. I personally know several people this has happened to.
why would anyone need his name?
God, he's scaring me to death.
I should never have said anything about it on the public boards.
I don't want anything to hurt his chances.
omg that is so made up.... :lol:
promoted for lying... please link it or it never happened.
man the stories that get spun when it comes to the military around here. :lol:
According to Greenblatt, when KHOU found the same tactics being used three years ago, the story became a national scandal and the military promised its recruiters would be retrained. "It seems someone didn't learn their lessons," Greenblatt reports. The officer involved in that earlier incident was even promoted to be a station commander, responsible for training and supervising other recruiters.
10 you're absolutely right in this. The Rev is wrong. I'm not sure why he thinks it is so unusual for someone to get a waiver for a crime so as to enlist in the military. I personally know several people this has happened to.
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My brother had that--joined the Navy.
They suspend the charges and then drop them. It's part of the bargaining to determine what he might be charged with--and then charges are never actually filed. At least that's how I understand it. It's not being "forced" it's giving them a choice.
Smart move. It would be idiotic for you to give anyone your personal information, me, CC, anyone.
I feel for you and my prayers have always been with you and your family. However.....
Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b:
"Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."
The other branches have similar regulations.
To me, it looks like a case of deferred adjudication, in which case, will not be in the public records. She could be telling the truth.
I've already spoken to 10 about this. IMO, and in accordance with my earlier in thread warning, this no longer needs to be a public issue. That is 10's request and I agree with it. To me, this is a non-issue; 10 is telling the truth, though she may not be using the terminology accurately. If I need to get involved more so, and 10 agrees, I will do what I can.Look, I don't agree with 10 on anything. In fact, I do not like 10. But I believe she deserves a chance to state her case. She does not trust you, and so, has offered to give personal information to somebody she does trust, in order to verify her story. Captain Courtesy is the person she chose, and I trust him to be honest. So, instead of bashing 10, lighten up and let the Captain do his research, that is, if both you and 10, along with the Captain, are in agreement on this approach. Simply calling her a liar and bashing her is something we would expect in the old Soviet Empire. This is America, so let her make her case to the Captain, and let the Captain report back to you, before you decide she should be lynched. If the Captain determines that she lied, then shame on her, and she should be remembered as Bonnie was remembered - As a liar. On the other hand, if the Captain determines that she is telling the truth, then you should man up and apologize to her.
Reverend - Agreed?
10 - Agreed?
Captain - Are you willing to participate?
To me, it looks like a case of deferred adjudication, in which case, will not be in the public records. She could be telling the truth.
Look, I don't agree with 10 on anything. In fact, I do not like 10. But I believe she deserves a chance to state her case. She does not trust you, and so, has offered to give personal information to somebody she does trust, in order to verify her story. Captain Courtesy is the person she chose, and I trust him to be honest. So, instead of bashing 10, lighten up and let the Captain do his research, that is, if both you and 10, along with the Captain, are in agreement on this approach. Simply calling her a liar and bashing her is something we would expect in the old Soviet Empire. This is America, so let her make her case to the Captain, and let the Captain report back to you, before you decide she should be lynched. If the Captain determines that she lied, then shame on her, and she should be remembered as Bonnie was remembered - As a liar. On the other hand, if the Captain determines that she is telling the truth, then you should man up and apologize to her.
Reverend - Agreed?
10 - Agreed?
Captain - Are you willing to participate?
"A Bit Of Advice"
1069,
When enlisting in the service the important thing is to make an intelligent choice of MOS (military occupation specialty), ones job, which affects training and future employment opportunities outside of the military.
I can't believe you think I would lie about what's happening to my poor baby.
Do you really think this makes a good or entertaining story?
My friends on the board, including the Cap'n, have known about all this since mid-December. I've been distraught, I've been PMing them about things as they develop. This is my youngest, my baby, my 17-year-old. Just turned 17.
Is everyone else on the board also willing to give Cap'n their children's names and social security numbers so that he can look into their criminal records and verify that they are who they say they are?
I have been extremely careful about sharing identifying information in my years on this board.
I think I can trust the Cap'n not to mess things up for us, at least not deliberately. I'm just so scared about giving out my baby's name and identifying information to anyone on the internet, when his situation is so precarious. He's enlisted, but he's not shipping for months yet. I've got to get him safely through the next few months. It's just a very uncertain time. His safety, his future, and possibly his very life is hanging in the balance, and I think that might be a little more important than mom's internet cred, unless mom is a completely psychotic asshole. I trust the Cap'n, but I don't really know who he is. And if the forum at large, after knowing me three years, thinks I'd lie about such a thing, I'm not sure why I'd feel compelled to give out my minor child's identifying information in order to prove anything to you anyway. You obviously don't know me, care about me, or have my or my child's best interests at heart.
Cap'n, tell me what to do. What would you do in this situation?
And Rev, don't you ever let me catch you impunging others' service again. Your service isn't crap, compared to being forced to send one's beloved child into war. If you think I wouldn't go in his place if they'd let me, you're insane, you don't understand what it is to be a parent, and you aren't fit to be one, and you never will be.
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